Hahahaha! Look at that f-ing picture. Hysterical. It's clearly photoshopped. They used exactly the same damned image for god sakes. Look at the angle of his head and the ears and shirt ripples, it's the same picture. It's bad enough to be losing your hair and feel bad about it, but to have all these...

I know I just updated recently, but I gotta say... my head has not felt as good as it does right now in as long as I can remember. My shedding is wayyyy down.

All I need now is for this army of sprouts to grow long enough to make a significant impact on appearance. GROWWW MY LITTLE ONES!!!

Words of advice: take EXTREMELY GOOD before and after pictures of the local test subjects, and REQUIRE them to maintain the same hair length throughout the trial. Make sure all of these are the same: angle, lighting, room settings, camera flash usage, hair length, and to make doubly sure, take as ma...

nanoscalp + juveline + scalpxtreme + juveline .... in that order, then repeat

UPDATEeee... So I am approaching 3 months of use (it's in 4 days I believe), and after the shed I spoke of earlier in this thread I AGAIN went through a shedding phase. This is very common for me though, as I have come to realize. That shed has finally subsided in the past couple days though and my ...

IMO, this product has the most potential of any that has been posted about lately. I'm still going to stick with Elsom until I have stabilized, but this looks great. Do we have a cost on the 14 day treatment yet? And they want you to just do 14 day cycles continuously? = 26 cycles per year ... poten...

It ain't cheap haha, but the vials have surprised me at how long they are going to last. The rotation goes like this... Nano, Juve, Xtreme, Juve, Nano, etc... I currently expect 1 bottle of nano + 1 bottle of Xtreme + 2 bottles of Juve to last me 6-7ish months. Total cost on that minus shampoo is (e...

Regardless of the cell type that is being injected, I'm not too sure about these microinjection style treatments. A bald dudes head has got to be a graveyard of follicles and scar tissue... I just don't see how squirting little balls of cells into such a hostile environment will ever result in a via...

I have used lasers for probably ... well let me think here... it must be going on a year.

As I said at regrowth multiple times (resulting in rage induced replies by the LLLT guard dogs), I think lasers are a fair treatment. I personally have no doubt that it is HELPFUL... these claims of miracle regrowth and permanent cessation of MPB were ridiculous and I said it multiple times.

If your balding is anything like mine, then your only hope is to hit this thing from every angle you can. That means: diet, exercise, vitamins, a low dosage of 5ar inhibitors, topicals, shampoos, LLLT, and the list goes on. I do all that %&$!... and if I'm still going bald... how the hell do you think LLLT alone is going to save your hair?

I personally don't think these individual injection treatments are ever going to provide great coverage. I think it will likely be the FIRST type of hair multiplication treatment out, but I'm betting the results are less than we are hoping for right now. In my opinion, a method that uses our bodies ...

All the Elsoms are too oily to wear outside in my opinion.

I'm not sure about the Lamas. Would that be wearable during the day Jacob? I'd like to eventually replace super zix II with something else.

Jacob wrote:You must have forgotten to send your check in.

Damn! I've fallen behind on my membership payments. Looks like I'll just take my hair back and leave....

So, based on my 2.5 month observations, I am extremely pleased with my progress thus far on Nanoscalp, Juveline, and ScalpExtreme. I REALLY hope things continue to progress in a positive direction.

My question for my fellow elsom users is... what products have you seen the most results from? I would like to give Terminal 1 & 2 a try after this, but I am scared to change my regimen at all. I feel like I should really get all I can from the current line up before I change anything.

Thoughts? Comments?

Also, did any of you give that Deline green that came as a free sample recently a try? %&$! is AWESOME, the bags under my eyes are completely gone.

Hey everybody! So, I get canker sores (mouth ulcers for you non-Americans) and they drive me to the brink of my sanity. BUT, what I have noticed about them is, I tend to have all sorts of symptoms all pop up at the same time. I get canker sores, pimples (which I don't normally), my hair starts shedding, and I just feel like %&$! in general.

All this happens and lasts around 2 weeks, and then all my symptoms fade and I feel great. Hair feels awesome, mouth is fine, no pimples etc.

I have read that cankers are much more common in women ESPECIALLY during their period, which leads me (and others) to believe that they are caused by hormonal imbalance which results in some kind of immune system depression or autoimmune type response.

Has anyone successfully dealt with these things? Also, is anyone with a bit more understanding of all these systems able to comment on the correlation between cankers + shedding (because there definitely is one... at least, for me).

All the hair loss forums are dead lately. Did we discover the cure and you all just failed to tell me!? (I HOPE I HOPE I HOPE!)

This is really exciting. I'm a bit concerned about consistent use of growth factors or mimicking peptides though. There very well could be negative feedback loops that down regulate cellular receptors and screw with natural production of the growth factors. I actually posted this question on the Els...

No. More DHT = Bad I don't think there is any doubt remaining that pattern baldness is genetic, and we are simply genetically inferior to people that keep their hair. In THOSE people, perhaps the more DHT the better, but in us... no. What I don't understand about it is, why when you eliminate DHT is...

@omgmyhair, Dr Y (the guy behind the Elsom products) does not recommend the scalp renewal thing for new customers. He suggests you use Terminal 1 & 2 according to the instructions on their website. He would probably also say work their shampoo into your regiment. @1..., I was taking a whole lot of v...

Are there any finished products similar to this that are specifically designed for hair loss besides Scalpure? I don't really feel like having to make these weird concoctions 2x a week.

Topicals = Elsom makes the best topicals money can buy IMO. Shampoos = There are a ton of great ones, but no matter how "natural" you want to make it, you should use Nizoral 2% 2-3 times a week. Internals = I take Tocotrieniols, Circumin, Resveratrol, and Now Multivitamin with Saw Palmetto and a bun...

I use facial clay masks every now and then to try and suck out some black heads (they work really well actually), and I disagree that after it has dried it stops working. On the mask I use, you can actually see the oil spots where the black heads have been sucked into the clay, and they grow even af...

There is no regrowth. Blaming my deteriorating condition on A&G alone is not justified, however. I stopped several treatments prior to starting A&G. This was partly due to my own foolishness, but also due to Dr. AQ over hyping the product. I DO feel it helped initially, and my hair looked really qui...

Well, I hope that's not what he was thinking... cause even with all the %&$! I do, I'm still a trainwreck.

Have any of you guys seen better results with Terminal 1 & 2 than you have with other Elsom stuff? I do seem to be getting results with what I have been using, but I could probably replace super zix with Terminal 1 & 2... ugh, I hate this...

I'll give it 4 more months and assess the situation.

Nevermind, I found a bunch of info on it...

So a bunch of people have been using the Lama's stuff for a while right? Any results?

So I've been hearing whispers of this ingredient lately... has anyone used it (topically I'm guessing) long enough to see results? If so, how effective is it? What products contain it?

@Jacob, does Elsom have plans of making a topical with it?

sounds like a great way to breed super germs

Aren't there any natural prostaglandin analogues we could slather on our domes in the mean while?

@hopeful

Nothing I would call significant YET, but it is only around 1.5 months of treatment thus far. I'm hoping by month 4 I will really start to see some benefit, and by month 6 to be choking on my glorious hair hahahah. I'll keep you all updated.

my testicles hurt just thinking about this much dutas

Somebody with a lot of money needs to contact Elsom and get a custom made nanoencapsulated growth factor topical with real high growth factor concentration. I bet you would see some serious results.

Link to dermaheal results?

Also, which of the Lamas stuff are you using Jacob? The whole shampoo/cond/serum/mist combo?

Also, I don't know the particular thread that spawned this firestorm, but I think Jacob is an excellent moderator and great contributor to the hair loss community. He is very knowledgeable, and consistently brings products I would never have even heard of up for discussion.

I try to remain pragmatic about things, but every encounter I've had with nidhogge points to the conclusion that he is just a douchebag. If some clandestine power shift is lurking in the shadows of HLF, you can count me out of this %&$!.

If I were designing a general rule irrespective these forums' past, present, or future moderators it would be simply: as a moderator you may not have a financial interest in any product. There are countless obvious conflicts of interest that arise. That all being said, the less moderation the better...

So I ended up getting a bunch of Mione face and body stuff. I also got a bunch of Tom's of Maine oral hygiene products

So, I've decided that aging sucks, and I want to maintain youthful skin as long as possible. What all do you guys use for body wash? I want something natural that moisturizes skin etc. How about face cream? I want an all natural with anti-aging properties, moisturizing, and sunblock. I was looking a...

I am a vegetarian and I'm going bald. Diet wise, I think a healthy vegetarian diet will help to slow baldness to some extent, certainly not cure it, but maybe slow it. My brother at one point bought an ebook on preventing acne naturally through diet, and it goes into VERRRYYY specific detail about h...

I like everything you have suggested Jacob... those 3 + a multivitamin w/ saw palmetto are all the vitamins I take right now. Are there are posted studies about the concentrations of Res in the blood from liposomal vs standard? I know standard has very low bioavailability (though I still take it).

Update.... Shedding is way down (finally), head feels good, little sprouts all along the hair line. I have been doing a slightly different application method the past 3 days that I think has actually really helped; it is real basic, but I'll explain anyways... Apply to damp head as normal, let it dr...

I can't see too great a difference in the photos, but those type of close up shots are always hard to tell what is going on. The numbers speak for themselves though, 25% increase in all areas after ONE injection is pretty #$%! tits. I can't wait to see some results from the first stage trial. They n...

You know what, I think there is something to this. On my fathers head, there is an OBVIOUS difference between his forehead, and where he used to have hair. If he scrunches his forehead you can see his old hairline, because that skin doesn't move at all. Also, the difference between my scalp in my do...

Updates on this? Did anyone end up buying it?

Hello everybody, I have recently been trying to figure out the physical changes that occur to the scalp as a result of MPB. I have read several conflicting reports about various things, including some that say the blood flow through a balding scalp is drastically lower than through a non balding sca...

Also, I want to make clear that I am NOT promoting revivogen. I think it is a %&$! topical, and relative to the Elsom stuff I am using now, everything about it is more amateurish (from the packaging, to the applicator, to the bottling, to the topical feel itself).

Not that I'm suggesting Elsom WORKS better (though I HOPE it does), just that everything about it seems "nicer" so far.

Cutting the vitamins had a bit of an overall negative effect, but the real killer was dropping revivogen (after like 12 months of nightly use)... A&G also provided initial benefits that all seemed to disappear at 3 months. Those 3 things really #$%! me over. If I had to do it over again, I would slo...

It goes. Sadly, my hair has taken a drastic turn for the worse since the A&G debacle. Ninety days after I finished A&G, I shed continuously for an entire month. My scalp got all inflamed and irritated. I don't blame this on A&G (actually, I believe growth factors in a daily topical would probably se...

2.25 treatments and I nearly died of a heart attack, but I'm probably just sensitive to minox.

In case anybody wanted to know about the Elsom+Super Zix II thing, Dr Y said it will not affect the dynamic synergy, but do NOT apply them together, and always wash you head before you apply the other one. Also, if tingling and itchiness is a good sign (which according to Dr. AQ it is), then dear lo...

Haha! It's true, it does. They all seem to be a diarrhea like color/texture immediately out of the bottle too; it seems to disappear after your rub it in a bit though. God I hope this works. I emailed Dr Y this question, but maybe you know the answer Jacob... is applying Super Zix II in the morning/...

Can't wear scalpxtreme during the day, and this time I really mean it.

Okay, so just for my own future reference...

Shampoo Rotation = Nizoral 2% + Micellerin Green + Nioxin System 2
Topical Rotation = ScalpXtreme, Juveline, Nanoscalp, Juveline, ScalpXtreme in the mornings... and Super Zix II at night (at least for a while, I would like to eliminate this eventually, but I learned my lesson with revivogen).
Vitamins = Multivitamin w/ Saw Palmetto, Tocotrieniols, Resveratrol, and considering taking Curcumin + Taurine..
rX = 0.72mg Finasteride daily.
Food = Vegetarian while trying to avoid sugary stuff.
Exercise = 20 minutes of cardio a day.
Other %&$! = Laser Helmet 3x a week.

So yeah. If my hair keeps falling out, there is no #$%! hope.