Why would you even put that comment in this thread if it wasn't about OMG, Dr. Maricle or Dr. Marko. By posting a comment of what nidhogge said in this thread it sure puts a nice spin on things doesn't it? Not to mention you left out the part that nidhogge made the comment, not OMG. The casual reade...

I think of MPB similiar to the bold quote at the bottom of this quote. I'm not saying MPB is an infection of the scalp but just that with MPB your body is walling off the area for one reason or another "Possible Benefits From NCD In Arteriosclerosis There are several important concepts regarding the...

Wait a second here. Why is OMG being held responsible for someone else's comment of "turn any vellous hair terminal." If I made a stupid comment about LLLT, is OMG responsible for that too? What's that about? Why don't you blame the person who made that comment? Talk about spinning things around, huh?

skittles_sour, Call up Dr. Maricle and Dr. Marko and ask for their explanation if you believe someone is being dishonest. I'm serious. Come back and let us know. Here are their phone numbers ... Chuck Maricle Main (702) 991-2067 USA FAX (702) 974-0713 USA / Canada Toll Free (888) 424-9491 Northern E...

Here's a picture of what I'm talking about that should help ...




Again, I don't see any new hairs. All I see is longer and healthier hair.

I absolutely hate making posts on pictures but what are you looking at?

Where is his hair transplant?

If he had a hair transplant where is the new hair? Why didn't he fill in his temples?

What I see is A LOT longer and healthier hair. I don't see very many new hairs showing up in his temples?

lol, how funny. skittles_sour, Do you realize that that hair transplant site (genhairmedical.com) doubles as a LLLT clinic? That's nothing new. A lot of them do. Not only that, Dr. Bruce Marko is shown next to a Sunetics machine on his website. Anyone want to guess which company Dr. Maricle is/was t...

Doke, FWIW, I've boycotted regrowth.com. It's corrupt! I refuse to post there ever again to allow my posts to increase their advertising revenue. I'm not sure if you can see it with your own eyes but any amount of investigative work will show you that the site is filled with deception! For example, ...

If it is inflammation which causes hair loss is there any benefit in using non-steroidal anti-inflammatories such as ibuprofen etc in limiting the inflammatory process? I lived off of ibuphrofen for over 10 years and I do believe that it's helpful for MPB. With that said, don't take ibuprofen like ...

Also, I just wanted to mention that I've used French Green Clay which is very similiar to Bentonite clay for many months externally and I've recently added raw/unfiltered apple cider vinegar to it and it works better this way.

With that said, IMHO, clay is overrated.

hapyman,

You can just put 20% or less Ascorbic Acid to 80% coconut oil. Mix and throughly rub in your scalp. Coconut oil would help with absorption like Emu Oil.

I take powdered taurine with the ascorbic acid, lysine and proline as well as other vitamins at the same time. I doubt there is a problem.

Hey cuebreeze, Based on a quote from that last study of "It is known that ascorbic acid 2-phosphate (Asc 2-P) stimulates growth of dermal fibroblasts by enhanced production of collagen synthesis" well, LLLT also is extremely good at collagen production. From my understanding "A chronic magnesium los...

Hey hapyman & OMG,

You can try this laser as it's cheap

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.28566

I ordered the 40 mW version.

I like how you did the wiring ... I did the exact same thing and I like it better! Not to mention, it reduces weight.

Don't forget to put on liquid electrical tape or the regular electrical tape on the connections.

More info using Selenium, Zinc and Iodine for hypothyroid from peach_thru_unity http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=912938#i ----------------------------------------------------- The thyroid gland synthesizes two major hormones, triiodothyronine (T3), which is the main biologically active thyroid ho...

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Sorry guys it's taken so long to get back to you ... I've been "EXTREMELY" busy. Cuebreeze, To answer your question about the enzymes, you can take them after the Master Cleanse. I doubt there would be a problem with the Master Cleanse. Make sure you take the enzymes very far away from any food thou...

"TEST TWO: This is called the Pupil test and primarily tests your levels of aldosterone, another adrenal hormone. You need to be in a darkened room with a mirror. From the side (not the front), shine a bright light like a flashlight or penlight towards your pupils and hold it for about a minute. Car...

Hey cuebreeze, To correct hypothyroid or Wilson's Temperature Syndrome, "personally", what I would do is supplement with Iodine/Iodide (e.g. Lugol's) with Selenium and Zinc. Selenium is especially important (100 mcg - 400 mcg) as Selenomethionine or Methylselenocysteine Make sure you take Selenium i...

The cure for "stopping" Androgenic Alopecia is already here.

Just my humble opinion ...

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"Coconut oil aids in removing the outer layer of dead skin cells, making the skin's upper dermis healthier, smoother and more capable of generating new, healthy skin cells." http://www.ehow.com/how_2194574_radiant-skin-using-coconut-oil.html "Virgin coconut oil is useful in fighting free-radicals as...

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For those suffering from Alopecia Areata this might be of some interest ... "Why is leaky gut syndrome important? The leaky gut syndrome is almost always associated with autoimmune disease and reversing autoimmune disease depends on healing the lining of the gastrointestinal tract. Any other treatme...

Hey cuebreeze, Here's a test to know when you are no longer hypo "Do not use a digital thermometer for the results may not be accurate. ) Shake down the thermometer and place it bedside at night. When you awaken and before you get out of bed in the morning, place it deeply in your armpit for ten min...

from IH "40% of all Americans suffer from hypothyroidism yet only about 10% of the patients tested will be diagnosed" & "He stated that 40% of the population has low thyroid function. In my practice, I find over 90% are hypothyroid." http://www.thenhf.com/health_freedom_news/health_freedom_news_71.htm

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While on the subject of air purifiers ... :D FWIW, I bought 3 Austin Air Purifiers for my house about 10 years ago (that are now in storage thanks to BroccoMax, lol). I also have my IQAir Purifier that is in my bedroom but collecting dust though, lol. The cost to benefit ratio of the Austin Air Puri...

Lipoprotein A, commonly called Lp(a), is a major independent risk factor for cardiovascular disease. The optimum laboratory level should be under 20 mg/dl and preferrably under 14 mg/dl. Currently, there is no medicine or drugs that to effectively lower your Lp(a). A high Lp(a) is genetically linked...

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Here is some intersting quotes "Immune System Iodine also plays a role in the immune system. Many years ago it was noted that bacterial infections cause an increase in the metabolism of thyroxine (38, 39). In particular, leukocytes use halogens such as chloride and iodide to help destroy bacteria th...

Here are some interesting before and after pictures of people who were hypothroid http://www.jcrows.com/hypothyroidism.html Notice the dramatic reduction in double chin Here is a very good book. http://www.jcrows.com/MaryJoFahey_IodineRemediesSecretsFromTheSea.pdf Notice Dr. D.C. Jarvis has a full ...

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jambap: [5/9/09] Hey NeverQuit, I'd be happy to answer your questions because I see a lot of negativity toward minox in this forum and I simply disagree with it. For me it's been the most helpful of all the treatments I had tried up until lasering. So here goes... 1) Which Minox, what percentage? K...

cpranov: Been using this for about 8-9 months, 10-12 minutes for the front, then I turn around or scoot forward and repeat. I can't stand anything pressing on my scalp so this worked for me, and I will rock back and forth a bit sometimes while using it. Anything more than 12 minutes or so and I started getting bumps on my scalp that eventually bleed, and a burned feeling for a day or so. There has been an obvious HUGE thickening of hair, I would say probably in the last month the results have really started to accelerate. Also plenty of new hair, but not in the temples -yet-. It was nice to see things take a giant leap forward again recently. I also started using topical niacinamide to help my scalp barrier.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23272

cpranov Thanks, its actually been 8-9 months, and not sure if you read my entire post but my results are great. Much much much thicker. darker better hair in all the MPB areas, new hairs and much less fallout. This last month really showed another level of improvement. There seem to have been 2 "wow moments", one about 4.5 months in and one just recently. the only topicals I use are nicanamide and occasionally undiluted GFSE, and now use just a bit of toppik as opposed to a %&$! before.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23272

kilimanjaro: I have a 5mW custom-made laser helmet that I've been using for the past 3.5 months with great results. I've noted incredible thickening and total stop of loss with some modest terminal regrowth

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23282

Orin: Lasers benefited my hair from the first session I had. I've stopped using any product in my hair.. it actually doesn't do anything to add any volume anymore - the hair is already almost unaturally thick (well, compared to how it used to be).

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23334

Lapwing: I would say I have improved almost a half (0.5) NW. For me I have seen the most improvement in the crown area. Temples are maintaining, but I am not seeing any significant improvement there yet. The temple areas are notoriously hard to get any improvement there, so I am happy with just no further loss there. I have been on lllt for 11 months now.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23303

Bethany: [Lasermax90 review] I am about a week short of 2 full months of usage, but I had to share an interim update....

I was closely inspecting my hair today and was FLOORED by the large number of new hairs that are sprouting from my scalp...in areas where I hadn't even realized it had been thinning!

Having dealt with thinning hair since the early 90's and tried a ton of options out there, I can definitely say that NOTHING has produced this much new hair growth for me (or as quickly) as the LaserMax has. If this trend continues and they develop into healthy, mature hairs, I will be ELATED.

I forgot to mention this above, but it is a rather key observation....

I have what I call a Yin-Yang head....I am 90% gray (ok, WHITE) from my ears forward. The gray is creeping down the back slowly, but the grays in the front started when I was 14. Needless to say, I color my hair so that both halves match.

However, many of the new hairs growing back in the front/top of my head are NOT coming in white....they match the non-gray hair in the very back of my head. We'll see what the proportion of gray to non-gray ends up being over time.

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/vi ... r&start=75

Arsenal: I'm 2 months in with a 70 diode device that I move 3 times. 15 minutes each section.
I don't get sore, but I do get a head pump. I've been shedding a little bit more than normal, but it's not too bad. I'm talking about an extra 20 hairs or so daily. Most of the losers are thinner hairs, but there are some "meatier" hairs in there too.

My scalp feels awesome. In the past, I had a burning sensation on a regular basis, but for the past 3 weeks or so, it's almost completely subsided. There are some days I feel that tell tale hairloss tingle, but it's no where near as severe as it used to be and it doesn't happen everyday. I've been having a lot of good hair days too. This started about 3-4 weeks into treatment. The hair looks and acts more alive and behaves more like it used to.

I haven't noticed any regrowth of note yet. I'm a diffuse thinner and regrowth isn't easy to spot. I have a lot of vellous around the hair line, but that's pretty normal for me, so I can't say if it's new or not. My hair dresser has commented (without me prompting her btw) that my crown has filled in nicely. Honestly, I haven't really paid that much attention to it (kind of an out of sight out of mind thing), but there has to be a reason she would mention it out of the blue.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23402

crzyakta: 170 diodes, 20 min, 3x a week

Its been almost 1.5 months, nothing significant to report yet (obviously too early)....but do notice hair is a bit more lively, kinda of like it was when I was doing my harsh scalp peels 2.5 yrs ago

I also roll with a 0.5 once a week, roll pretty aggressive

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23402

Orin: Been doing it for a month.. uhm maybe two months? Not really sure. Hair changed in the first week into a texture I've never had before, and that I only see on people with zero hair-loss.

On especially good days, I think it almost looks like female hair. It seem to be evenly thick all along the strand too, which is just odd.

Whatever lasers actually do, it does something that obviously kind of.. inflate the hair, for lack of a better word.

I burnt out 41 diodes through faulty wiring, so that's a bummer, but I've been using the 59 I have left for 25 minutes X 3, about every other day or so.

Sometimes every third day. It's tricky to evenly split the week. So it's a total of 177 diodes. I'm absolutely broke right now, but when I get back on my feet, I'll upgrade to 90 diodes, which covers my entire scalp-area, temple to temple.

Shedding stopped immediately the first month (was excessive as I've stopped fin 3 months earlier due to finance-trouble), was fine for that month, but seems to have picked up some speed in the recent week. It really goes up and down, but it's not at all as aggressive as directly after fin, where I shed long, short and tiny hair of any quality.

Now I shed 3-4 hairs if I really comb my head through, and they're usually all long healthy hair. So I guess that's normal... I dunno.

I really don't believe people should stop fin, and I'm going to jump on it immediately when I get my next pay-check. Despite all the neat things lasers seem to do, it seems the real benefit comes from also keeping a base defense against the source of the inflammation, and not just rely on treating the inflammation as it occurs (with lasers that is).

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23402

waalaa: [3/19/09] My laser gutter guard (65 diode)is removable from my homemade(bike)helmet, I treat my silver (hair) sides every night for about 10 minutes each side, I have noticed a difference, I now have some dark hairs mixed in with my grey where as before it was solid grey, it is however a very slow process, I'm at the two month mark & plan to continue my side treatment along with my top treatments.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23341

waalaa: [3/19/09] My laser gutter guard (65 diode)is removable from my homemade(bike)helmet, I treat my silver (hair) sides every night for about 10 minutes each side, I have noticed a difference, I now have some dark hairs mixed in with my grey where as before it was solid grey, it is however a very slow process, I'm at the two month mark & plan to continue my side treatment along with my top treatments.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23341

jambap: [3/7/09] I've been using my laser helment for nearly 3 months now so I'm not giving an official report on it yet, needless to say when I do in a couple of weeks, it should be positive!

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23341

Orin: [3/18/09] Been doing it for a month.. uhm maybe two months? Not really sure. Hair changed in the first week into a texture I've never had before, and that I only see on people with zero hair-loss.

On especially good days, I think it almost looks like female hair. It seem to be evenly thick all along the strand too, which is just odd.

Whatever lasers actually do, it does something that obviously kind of.. inflate the hair, for lack of a better word.

I burnt out 41 diodes through faulty wiring, so that's a bummer, but I've been using the 59 I have left for 25 minutes X 3, about every other day or so.

Sometimes every third day. It's tricky to evenly split the week. So it's a total of 177 diodes. I'm absolutely broke right now, but when I get back on my feet, I'll upgrade to 90 diodes, which covers my entire scalp-area, temple to temple.

Shedding stopped immediately the first month (was excessive as I've stopped fin 3 months earlier due to finance-trouble), was fine for that month, but seems to have picked up some speed in the recent week. It really goes up and down, but it's not at all as aggressive as directly after fin, where I shed long, short and tiny hair of any quality.

Now I shed 3-4 hairs if I really comb my head through, and they're usually all long healthy hair. So I guess that's normal... I dunno.

I really don't believe people should stop fin, and I'm going to jump on it immediately when I get my next pay-check. Despite all the neat things lasers seem to do, it seems the real benefit comes from also keeping a base defense against the source of the inflammation, and not just rely on treating the inflammation as it occurs (with lasers that is).

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23402

Lakers: [3/18/09] Perga,

I don't think that I'm overstating lasers period.

Never did I mention anything near this-"get a laser helmet and your problems are solved"

I'm not saying lasers are a cure all based on their results per se, rather for the results vs sides ratio(zero AFAIK)-there is no comparison IMO and for that reason they cannot be overstated. It's simple really.

I too have experience with the poisons and I hate them. What kind of helmet are you using btw? Also, I did'nt see results from lasers until month 6 but it seemed month after month the results were multiplying at an exponential rate.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23421

perkinspook: [3/22/09] I have a lasermax 90 and have had wonderful results!!

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23417

perkinspook: [3/22/09] I had the guy from LaserMax add more diodes to my 90 and made it into a 250 laser. He did it rally cheap. But I was getting results already as it was.
http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23433

Thorton212: [3/21/09] PICTURES = http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23444

Thorton212: [3/21/09] Here is what I do Laser 23 min M-W-F VM M-W-F night Custom topical (elsom double nano) containing (curcurmin, resveratrol, biotin, ecgc, cinnamon, melatonin, coffee bean and adenosine. I use this custom topical whenever I work out (Everyday) underneath a hat. I put it on and it is dry in maybe 1 min then I let sit for 15 before I work out. The reason I do this is because the curcurmin is extremely orangish and I don't want to look any worse lol.

Also I should mention that I eat 1 clove of garlic every 3 days and take chlorophyll to help with the garlic odor. I also apply garlic and wash about 10 min before lasering because it def. draws a lot of blood to the scalp, it burns though so be careful if you try it. I believe the garlic has helped with the laser tremendously. For the first 2 months of lasering I never had any pump but since I started applying the garlic I have been getting a VERY good pump with my helmet.

Yeah I don't really like the VM [virile mane] at all really I just bought the %&$! and now i'm stuck with it so I will use it for what it's worth. It could be helping but I doubt it. Since I started using that custom topical my inflammation has been NIL though.

[How long have you been using lasers for?] since the middle of jan. On the sides and back it has seriously raised about an 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch in the last month and a half. I shave my head with no guard usually every 3 weeks or so but it has been five weeks now since I last shaved it.

Here is what has happened since late jan early feb. My hair on the sides is creeping up toward the middle of my head. Hopefully they will meet but they still have a little while until they get there.

(elsom double nano (btw most expensive)) containing (curcurmin, resveratrol, biotin, ecgc, cinnamon, melatonin, coffee bean and adenosine.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23444

backspace: [3/22/09] For supplementing with magnesium you should just buy unsalted cashews. They have a decent amount of magnesium and they're fxxking delicious. Maybe it's just my cashew addiction but I swear they made my hair look and feel healthier (or maybe it was just the lasers haha)

I've been using lasers on and off for about a year now.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23438

ginger-uk: [6/19/08] I am never very optimistic about any treatments. TBH, the fact that I have never really made any gains from any product is beginning to piss me off. It seems to be the case that there is always one product that works for someone. Yet I have blown thousands of pounds and not made any gains to talk of. The only time I saw a tiny bit of regrowth was when I used a laser studio once a week. I think If I had used that twice a week I might have seen more gains. However, my hair soon went back to, and worse than it was before. I used minox the whole time. The only real saving grace was that my crown didn't thin as quick as my front.

I am still toying with the idea of making a laser device, but I am seriously loosing interest tbh. I crossed my fingers and started taking FIN, that after 9 months or so hasn't done anything, switching to foam seems to have done very little. I'm not sure if I hadn't have done anything whether I would have had any less hair than I do now!?...

It just seems strange to me that the science behind hairloss is fairly straight forward, but the reality is treatments don't work for everyone. Surely this means, DHT isn't the only factor with hairloss?...

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/vi ... e&start=60

jambap: 3/23/09] Ok guys I know I’ve already referred to how my laser regimen has been going but I promised to report my results at the 3 month mark, and so, here they are.

I am delighted to say that I am undoubtedly having success. I noticed from only the 2nd week into using my 80 diode laser helmet (positioned 3 times), new hairs sprouting up at my hairline, very much like when I first began using Minoxidil (I know there are some that don’t like minox but I was always a positive responder so can make that comparison). So I noticed for the following 3 months that I had a slow-but-sure increase of new hairs at the hairline. The existing hairline hair looked thinner over that time too, but being experienced in starting new treatments, I didn’t worry too much as this is usually meant a shed that yields the reappearance of thicker hair after about 3 months. Having said that, although that hair was appearing thinner I did notice it was also standing up erect and as if with a new lease of life. Now as I pass the 3 month mark I believe I am entering the phase of the existing hairline finally growing back thicker. I have to see how the next month goes, but I do believe I’m past the “patience-is-a-virtue” phase of the program and I am just now starting to experience the real visible difference becoming increasingly apparent. I already have the outline of my 20-year old hairline in place, it’s just needs filling in and thickening completely. As I was a NW3 I never had too much loss on the top of my head so there’s no drastic difference there, but I am confident that having caught it now, it will only go back to its ever thicker and healthy condition of my youth. I did have a crown that was thinning to the point where it probably would have started illiciting comments even from the most tactful of my friends over the next year or so. However I can see already it is looking thicker hopefully those comments will never come.

So to summarize, I think I have had the results very much along the lines of how the Hairmax chap describes the sequence. The first 3 months show nothing spectacular (though in my case the new hairline hair was definitely a positive sign), the existing hair goes through a shed but by month 3 the positive turn-around begins.

At this point I want to once again thank OverMachoGrande for blazing the trail in this homemade laser revolution. I think without the work he started, I would be reaching the point where I’d be giving up the battle, as I had exhausted Minoxidil, Propecia, Nizoral, Azelaic Acid etc etc. and none of them were doing much anymore.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23461

cuebreeze: [3/24/09] 3months down on lasering with a 400+ diode helmet and my hair hasnt looked this good in a long time. ONLY 3 months and my hair looks waaay thicker, i have new vellus hairs at the hairline. My hairloss has almost stopped completely (only few hairs in the shower like a persons scalp without M.P.B). Anyway i like i said i wouldn't trust anyone on the internet so i tried it myself and its clearly doing something to my scalp as it feels a lot better. I'll be posting my 3 month pics in about 2 weeks as im still a little shy from 3 months.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23460

dogface: [3/26/09] just wanted to say, i went from a 50 module device to a 64 module device. Soreness! it's unmistakeable. I also put the modules very close together this time. Probably a more accurate description is a feeling of having exercised the scalp muscles and they are tired.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23490

glaxom: [3/26/09] I %&$! you not........ my laser helmet is the best thing i've ever done for my hair period!

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23488

hapyman: [3/28/09] I am starting to think that the soreness factor might have to do with magnesium. I feel as though the lasers are much more stimulating now that I have been on mag oil. Also coincidence or not but I have stopped shedding now. I don't know if this has to do with the time (6 months) I have been using lasers or because I started using mag oil the last couple of weeks.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23492

Lava212: [3/30/09] The kind of stimulation I have been getting recently is undeniable compared to when I approached lasering with a dry scalp. My whole head was "pumped". My ears were red and warm-hot for 2 hours post treatment. The lasers are nowhere near my ears though. The overall scalp heat was reduced at the 3 hour mark but was still there until I woke up the next morning. My hair has improved drastically in this short time of lasering damp.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23492

Thorton212: [3/30/09] PICTURES = http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23523

Thorton212: [3/30/09] Lasers have definitely played a huge role in quality of hair and regrowth. I also have not had any fallout at all recently and scalp has been fairly healthy since I have started lasers

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23523

glaxom: [3/31/09] I'm into my 4th month of lasers and 2weeks ago i stopped the min......... so far i am not losing any hair from terminating it's use. Now in the past (before my laser helmet) i tried the experiment of stopping and each time i would notice the loss of hair and an increase in shedding.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =6&t=23421

WilliamTheBloody [3/31/09] Lasers - 2 Month Point ObservationsI will try to keep this as brief as I can, but I wanted to point out a few observations from my 2 month mark so far.
Well it has already started working for me for sure even this early on. I have noticed a lot of new hairs sprouting up in the hairline and a some even in the bare temple areas. Whoever has been wondering if lasers grow hairs in slick bald areas, I can attest that they do.

Also, my hair quality has definitely increased in appearance, itching has almost ceased, scalp is finally not irritated looking, and my hair has bounce in the front again.

My cowlicks seem to be returning in the front as well. While I hated them as a kid, I welcome them back with open arms now. (I can run my hand from vertex to the frontal region and feel the cowlicks in the front standing up) Prior to this the frontal areas were flat and lifeless and I never noticed any hair standing up like this. Even in non-lasered areas I am seeing much better hair quality.

I'm glad I jumped on this bandwagon, and I hope everyone out there debating whether or not to try it to just get on it as soon as possible. I can't wait until the 12 month results that everyone croons about, as this has really been the best thing I have ever done for MPB to date even at the 2 month mark. All thanks to OMG and all of you laser pioneers here at regrowth that have done the work and thousands of hours of research. I can only say thanks and wish I could return the favor.

I did get a bad shed at 2-3weeks and got paranoid but I pushed through it though.

I have the Laser Messiah v2.0 helmet with 210 diodes with the lens caps removed all packed as far as they go in the front. I don't have switchable zones, so I laser all diodes at once for 20 mins 3x/week at night Mon, Wed, Fri.

I wash my hair first and let the shampoo set for 1-2 mins and rinse. Dry my hair with a towel, comb it back and put folligen emu oil in the front and temple regions of my scalp. Comb my hair straight back again to work a little more emu oil and get some hair separation going and then immediately I strap the helmet on and there you go.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23534

hershey: [3/31/09] [addressed to WilliamTheBloody] great news, glad to hear it (I too started noticing similar results, in a similar time-frame. It's been 6 mos. on lasers for me now, and I couldn't be happier.)

I had no shed, at no point in the 6 months I've been lasering. (The only thing I have been using in conjunction has been Zix II, and I haven't been as religious about it as I could/should be. Shampoo: nizoral once a week, and on other days one of about 2 or 3 different Jason shampoos I have on hand at any one time - tea tree, thin-to-thick, aloe).


http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23534

ljc08: [3/31/09] Well I tried lasering with emu oil on my scalp tonight rather than putting it on after as I had been doing. What a difference! Started to get soreness after about 5 minutes instead of nearly 15. Definitely feeling it now and I have been finished for more than an hour.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23534

cuebreeze: [3/31/09] im almost at 3 months now and i also had a shed at about 1 month mark. It wasn't cosmetically noticeable but in the shower i shed about 50 hairs?! compared to about 20 now.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23534

jimmy1: [4/1/09] I am about 4 months in and I feel my hair is better quality and thicker as well. I am considering a toopical as well, the emu oil sounds interesting. I have never experienced soreness,although I get a great pump. I Am using a messiah design with 160 diodes in the front and 14 gauge wire for all levels. I think I am going to get OMG to build me one so I don't have to do 2 or 3 zones.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23534

Toby: [12/26/08] I have two friends that are experiencing hair loss, both in their 50s. They came to me and told me about laser treatments they are getting at a local salon. I have known both of these women for 8 yrs. and noticed their hair loss. One was a former model, the other a former beauty queen. Anyway, one had hair loss to the point you could see through her hair, the other one not so bad. One was due to stress and hormones, the other one I am not sure. The important thing is they are growing hair and I mean really growing hair!!!!I have looked at their scalp closely . I go to the same salon that they do so I decided to inquire about the program for my mother-in-law who is 82 and thinning badly. The program requires two 30 minute treatments a week at about 150.00 a month and taking supplements to keep the DHT blockers levels down to keep new hair from failing out. My mother-in law is interested but lives 30 minutes from the salon, two treatments a week for months isn't idea for someone her age. So.....I am been busy on the Internet and have found a supplier that sells the home device for around 500.00 dollars.[Lasermax] Same machine!!!!the salon sells the home device for 2200.00 dollars. If I had hair loss I would be jumping on this BIG time. The women using it say the hair diameter is greater, color is richer, and has more elasticity. Also hair growth is 30% more.

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/vi ... t=lasermax

hairisgood: [4/1/09] Well maybe that's an April fools joke but really my hair is noticeably growing faster and feels thicker and more alive after just a little while. I started with 72 diodes I think like about three months ago but only used them on my crown and didn't use it as a moveable cluster but for the past couple weeks ive been using a full coverage helmet with over 300 diodes. The full coverage device seems to really make a difference.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23548

Danlalane: [4/3/09] For those of you who don't know, I have been lasering since August '08. First 150 diode Lemming, more recently 300 diode Messiah II. I have tried wash, no wash, rubbing alchohol, you name it... TODAY, Emu Oil before lasering. By 18, to 19 minutes I was quite sore. WHOA!

I attribute the new pump/soreness to a few things: 1.) Going from 150 to 300 Diodes 2.) Removing the caps required for Lemming mesh 3.) Going from 22 gauge to 18 on L2 wires and 12 on L3 4.) EMU

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23562

glaxom: [4/5/09] Well, i stopped the min about 3wks ago and so far i have noticed nothing in regards to shedding or losing any extra hair at all.
Yesterday i dropped the fin and will see what happens.

4 months of 230 diodes has brought about

1. a virtual end to the shedding(i'd say 90-95% reduction)

2. an end to the itchy scalp

3. much, much better hair days

4. little hairs popping up on the frontal hairling just recently

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23549

cuebreeze: [4/5/09] PICTURES = http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23569

MG63: [4/9/09] immediately after surgery i used a lasermax 50 (because it did not touch my scalp)for 10 min 3 days a week. My healing time was much faster than previous transplants that I had. Although I still experience the shedding normally associated with transplants, it was delayed by 3-4 weeks.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =3&t=23346

Lapwing: [4/10/09] I just finished one year of LLLT at the appropriate dose level of 5-7 J/cm2 over the whole top of my scalp for 2 to 3 times a week. My device is a konftec Aculas 850B 250mW handheld. It has 5x50mW diodes. It takes me over an hour to do one session. I can’t wait to get a laser helmet!
My results I would say are remarkable, better than I could have reasonably hoped for at the time I started. My hair is thicker and there is decent regrowth in the crown area. The temples are stabilized with no further loss and I have gotten a little regrowth on the front hairline in general.

I have no before pictures and if I showed after pictures all you would see is hair and lots of it! It is hard to quantify my results, but I would say I have improved by about half a NW. I would say 18 months ago I was NW 2.65 Vertex and now I am around a NW 2.15 Vertex. My crown area was thinning fast.

I believe LLLT is most responsible for my hair improvement, but I also do Oils (Coconut and TTO), lots of supplements, eat a clean anti-inflammatory diet with good fats and no junk carbs, caffeine added shampoo, and scalp peels once a month.

Do I believe LLLT works? Well I spent a thousand for my handheld and I am about to spend another 1000+ on a super fancy lllt helmet. I held that damn aculas to my head for 3 hours every week for a year and I am still doing it. My hair looks great and I have almost reached my goal of becoming a regrowth ghost rocking a solid NW 2 with just some slight thinning in the crown.

One extra note: A long time ago I kind of naturally fell into doing my lllt sessions about 15-30 minutes after washing my hair, which seems to be recommended way to go these days.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... f=1&t=2357

Notbaldyet: [4/11/09] Around 2 1/2 Months On the Lasermax 200

I have been checking this forum for around 4 years and so I've tried quite a list of treatments, IH top six, Aloe/Dut Topical etc etc etc.
I was a bit concerned about wether the laser thing was working as my hair seemed to be getting worse to begin with but after having had my hair cut I can see that i have had a significant thickening in the temple area as well as what looks like regrowth. Hair at the front no longer looks like its hanging on for dear life. The crown has also improved.

My regimen is not very complicated but is definitely working:

Revita x4 times a week Tea Trea Oil Shampoo x3 a week Aloe Vera left on overnight when I remember 30 Minutes Lasermax 200 every other day Ecklonia Cava few times a week

I would recommend everyone to put aloe on the thinning areas before bed.In the moring the scalp has a much less irritated surface.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23595

GrowMikeGrow: [4/11/09] I got a Lasermax 90 3 or 4 months ago. I've been using it every other day and noticed that the shedding has stopped. Hair quality seems better too, but I was wondering if there are any suggestions of what I should be taking to help the lasers out? I have only been using the laser, and while I am seeing good results with just lasers, I figure there might be something I can add to the regimen.
I am seeing some new growth and want to make it as much as possible.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23597

hairisgood: [4/12/09] PICTURES = I took another photo of my crown which I think is filling back in. They are both taken in the same light condition with dry hair. Same place in the bathroom under harsh lights. I've only been using the 340 diode helmet i built for a month. I had a 72 diode device that i used for maybe 2 months at most before that. It didn't seem to do that much though. The shorter hairs around my temples are getting longer too with more color but it is hard to photograph because my camera seems to not be able to focus close up.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23601

cuebreeze: [4/15/09] Yea my hairloss has stopped all over. Going by the time of the hair cycle plus taking into account that my scalp is originally screwed up from mpb i think it will take about 5 months before the hair comes back to the part of the cycle where i can see new thicker hairs from the ones that were hanging on for dear life. But hairloss has deffently stopped (temples included)

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23610

Zeke: [4/18/09] I'm using minox for over ten years and its the only reason I have hair to laser. A bit over 3 months with lasers and I can honestly say my hair hasn't looked this good in a long time. Significant change in thickness a quality. I believe I see new hair growth but wiil give it more time before I start dancing in the street. Good Luck and just give it more time, I really think this %&$! works.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23460

glaxom: [4/18/09] i used min for a looong time and would shed each time i stopped, now after over 4month of lasers i stopped the min 3-4wks ago and no new shedding.
Plus, after tapering my fin dosage way down over the last several months i completely stopped it a wk ago and so far so good.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23460

Joanne: [4/18/09] ...I feel like I can say--without a doubt--I'm experiencing regrowth!
Wow. I can't believe it myself.

My hair still looks like absolute crap because it's shoulder length and the new hairs are about 1-1/12" long. In fact, if the light is behind me...I look a little bit like someone holding those electric static balls. Short little hairs sticking out all over my head. So the volume has taken a big hit.

What I'm excited about is that less scalp is showing through my hair...especially when I stand under the DREADED OVERHEAD LIGHT. And the part on my crown...which has just gotten wider and wider over the last 4 years is getting much more narrow.

It still feels like thin crap when I touch it because it's so short...but there isn't as much scalp showing. This is HUGE for me.

FYI...I'm using a 100 diode device (modded buddyebson type) 3x/week, 4 zones, 18-20 min/zone. I only started using the emu oil in the past 10 days so that's not a factor, althought maybe it'll help bump things up a notch. Started lasering in mid-late Nov 2008. Bad, bad, bad shed late January that lasted 2-3 weeks. Very discouraging considering my scalp had started to feel much better. Didn't give up and I think I've turned the corner.

It would be so much easier if I were a guy and could buzz it all off...but last short haircut I got everyone told me I looked like a dyke. So that's not an option.

Also...bought the AGHC this week. It just arrived, so I haven't started yet. I'm hoping it will kick things into high gear, but at the very least...I can say I believe that lasering for hair loss is effective.

I see a lot of people tweaking their laser protocols...emu, no zones, etc...but I'm gonna stick with what I've been doing because I can see it's working.

I have some pics of the progression of my hair loss over the last 4 years. They were never taken to show anyone (god forbid). So they're totally inconsistent in lighting, etc... I'll take a few shots of my progress and post them if someone can tell me how to post them on Regrowth (not photobucket, etc...).

I just want to say a big, big thank you to OMG for not only championing lasers but for writing the definitve LLLT For Dummies guide. There is no way in hell I would have attempted to build a laser device if I hadn't read his PDFs.

Also, Nidhogge for helping me get the laser diodes through one of his group buys and jdp710 for all the informative emails he's posted. And buddyebson for his simple modded out design that I could assemble quickly.

God...after 4+ years...is this nightmare really over? I think it might be. Thanks guys...

The only prep I do pre-laser is a good thorough shampoo. There's a dozen different shampoos I use...Folligen, Seabuckthorn, Tea Tree Oil, Active M, Body Shop Ginger... Sometimes Nizoral, but it fries my hair...so not very often. It's a wonder I can even get into the shower for all the bottles, lol.

Since my hair's longer, it's still usually damp when I laser. But after 80 min (4 zones) it's dry.

If someone tells me how to post pics here, I will in a few days. Need to try to get some pics that show the regrowth.

Thanks for the nice comments. It took awhile to get here, and my problems aren't over...but this is progress. And it is the ONLY progress I've had since my hair began to fall.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23658

hairisgood [4/13/09] yes i have stopped temple recession and it's starting to grow back. little hairs are growing longer and with more color. the area that would be next to recede is thickening up. But to be honest i'm not really that receded and i measured it and if i wanted to totally restore my hairline it would only be a little over a square inch on each temple. my hairloss is more on my crown. also my hairloss is apparently less severe than yours because i didn't lose any hair until i was 25, then i noticed shedding and my scalp got sunburnt in my crown, then i let it go for a couple more years and now i am doing something about it. Another thing is that I stopped my hair loss first with immortal hairs regimen. The itch stopped and the hairloss stopped but regrowth wasn't really happenning, if there was some it wasn't too much, but the condition was definitely stabilized and i was only on it for 6 months before lasers(which ive only used a full coverage device for a month) so I really didn't give it time. I definitely think stopping the inflammation helps a lot and eating a good diet. I think I did a lot of damage to my hair from eating like %&$! and drinking and partying all the time for a couple years there from like 18 to 25...

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23610

jambap: [4/14/09] I have been using my laser helmet since mid-Dec 08 and I can confirm that I am definitely getting temple regrowth. I hadn't lost that much in the first place, I am an NW2, but I am getting regrowth up to the original hairline and by the way it's filling in I'm getting hopeful for the possibility of getting my hair back to the NW0 or NW1 I was when I was 20 (I developed an early mature male hairline so it's hard to tell what I was). While the regrown hair is generally quite sparse it grows to the length the rest of my hair does. I therefore hope the area just continues to fill in. And I know that it's the lasers doing this coz I've been on Minox for the last 7 years and had been losing temple hair for the last 3 years or so. It's only been in the last 4 months since being on lasers that they have started reappearing. At the risk of ending up quite disappointed I really am very optimistic as to complete temple recovery, though it may take a couple of years still.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23610


Chapat [4/24/09] I have built my own laser helmet and used it for about a month and I must say my hair has thickened up a lot. I really don't care if no one belives me but it is working for me.

No new regrowth but I can't believe how thick my hair got. I use it 3x a week at 20 min each

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/forums/mess ... ord1=laser

hairisgood: 4/27/09] After a little less than 6 weeks. The area in the crown with miniaturized hair is becoming smaller and thicker overall. It feels different. The lasers are making my scalp healthier. I cut my hair so that it was about the same length in the before and after pictures.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23712

i_will_win: [5/4/09] PICTURES = not important my friend, i do not understand that why they are against with laser treatment ? it really works very well.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23769

chiarick: [5/7/09]
I will tell you what's helped me so far:

#1 complete coverage laser device, 3 x wk. 20 minute sessions #2 Emu oil and Magnesium oil mix, roughly half and half, used 20-30 minutes prior to lasering #3 scalp exercises, 2 to 3 times a day, 15 to 20 minutes a time

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23797

glaxom: [5/7/09] I was never under the impression that lasers would grow hair on long dead slick scalp. It did what i wanted it to.........stopped my hair loss dead in it's tracks....thickened what i got to make my hair look better than it has in 5-7 years. There are a few tiny hairs popping up in the frontal line and about three weird wild hairs about an 1/8-1/4 of an inch below the hair line.

5 months 230 diodes, 3x wk

Oh yeah, it also stopped that maddening scalp itch i had.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23755

ljc08 [5/7/09] I had the whole red itchy scalp thing going as well. 4 months of lasering with 380 diodes has really done wonders for that. I even used a topical that really aggravated my scalp and made it much worse, lasers got that back under control pretty quickly.

Other things that helped:

emu oil - nightly and left on overnight, shower with mild shampoo in the a.m.

mild shampoo not nizoral with just aggravated my scalp more

shower head filter

omega 3 oils taken internally along with resveratol/curcumin

I think you need to determine whether your red itchy scalp is from something like demodex or from over irritating your scalp with shampoos or topicals. Mine was a combination of MPB inflammation and irritation from topicals etc. I think my regimen worked good to get that under control. I always itched less at night than during the day or after a shower. If something like that doesn;t work and it itches more at night it is then a pretty good bet that you have something like demodex and should start up on an aggressive program to nuke that.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents worth. Hope you get it under control. Most important thing is to get under that laser helmet as soon as you receive it.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23797

ljc08: [5/8/09] 4 months in and I just in the last few weeks I have started to notice my hair really thickening from the lasers. It is very cool. I haven't regrown a thing yet but my hair looks WAY better! Thanks OMG and everyone else for all the advice on lasers!

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23804

laserhead [5/8/09] I'm just over 6 months in with LLLT, and I feel that I keep making slow steady improvements.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23804
surehair: [5/9/09] Definitely DO NOT start rogaine with your red/itchy scalp. Rogaine gave me dry itchy scalp until I started Lasering (Complete itch went away in approx 2-3 weeks). I noticed the Nizoral made my scalp itch worse after applying in shower. If you want a temp cheap quick fix, Head N Shoulders Dry Scalp works. Walmart sells it cheap. Nizoral gives me a slight itch sometimes, but I know lots of people swear by it. Laser has definitely made my scalp 100x healthy.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23797

hapyman: [5/9/09] After stopping minox, its been 4 months, I finally feel like my hair is stabilizing fully and I have some definite terminal hairs growing in on my temples. BTW I am also on Super Zix II and a lot of internals but I have done that before on its own with little results so it is definitely the lasers so far. I will say that MagOil and Emu Oil have increased the benefits of lasering though.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23813

Zeke: [5/9/09] Using minox over 10 years 2% at first, now 5% from Dr.Lee. Once a day before bed, has given me excellent results since day one. I know some people do not respond to minox but my experience is only positive.

LLLT for under 4 months. OMG helmet with 300+ diodes. So far hair looks better, seems thicker. I'm gonna give it more time but I think this %&$! is the real deal. Will continue both minox and LLLT, for me they compliment each other quite well.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums ... =1&t=23815

hairisgood:[ [7/20/09] PICTURES = http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums/viewthread.cfm?f=1&t=24421 jdp710: [10/21/08] PICTURES = http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums/viewthread.cfm?f=1&t=22107 jdp710: stopped hair loss. Hair is thicker than it was 10 years ago with regrowth. Best thing I've ev...

I own this and works well

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product. ... ductDetail

They have a cheaper one with only 200x but coudln't find it

Hey cuebreeze,

Personally, I'd be careful with using iodine more than once per week directly on your hair.

I use JCrows lugol's iodine which can be taken internally.

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/LGS001/I ... 4294967185

http://www.jcrows.com/iodine.html

Anxious 1,

See this link

http://immortalhair.forumandco.com/natu ... -t1129.htm

Hey cuebreeze, When buying the Serrepeptase, make sure you buy enteric coated ones like these http://www.iherb.com/Doctor-s-Best-Best-Serrapeptase-270-Veggie-Caps/12714?at=0 & http://www.iherb.com/Doctor-s-Best-Best-Serrapeptase-90-Veggie-Caps/4467?at=1 This is the brand of Nattokinase that I buy ht...

Thanks OMG

And yeah, I noticed Spanky in the animated gif. You can tell Spanky has a lot of personality and was just looking at the syringe going WTF is he doing, lol. I love pure black cats. I use to own a pure white one when I was a kid.

And that's awesome how you rescued all those strays!!!

Hey Frontline Warrior,

I was wondering if you can give an update on the PM hair tonic that you ordered

How does it feel in your hair?

Are you happy with your purchase so far?

And any other information you can think of would be appreciated.

Thanks