A&G Hair Complex from A&G Skin Solutions

Jacob · Post by **Jacob** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:28 am

On William..in the past you've said "we" whenever contacting William was being discussed. But regardless, I don't see how difficult it is for you to ask Kimberly to try to get a hold of him. You've commented on William in the past, and have done so again here. But I'll go ahead and see if Kimberly even gets back to me. You guys haven't been responding to emails like you were in the past. And if William is on vacation..he's been on one for over a month

To those still asking questions here- could you please do so in the new Q&A section- the new ones will be moved over there anyway. http://www.hairlossfight.com/forums/vie ... f=9&t=1147 The same for Dr. AQ- please respond to the questions over there. Any questions left unanswered over there will be left..unanswered.

kamisama · Post by **kamisama** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:30 am

I for one, am very interested to see how others are responding to the HC as I have had a difficult time since I tried it. I either have had an allergic reaction to it (PG?) or it has aggravated a pre-existing scalp condition. It's been 20 days since I first used it and after some really promising initial indications (it did exactly what Dr. AQ said it would) things have unravelled and I am doubtful I will see results this time around. My priority now is to get my scalp back under control which is proving a difficult thing to do. So you can see how much I for one would appreciate this thread staying on topic.

Peace and love.

huli

huli,

im sorry to hear bout your condition. Did you have a known reaction to ppg or it is an unknown irritation from the solution? Care to describe whats the current condition, it sound quite bad from the way u speak. maybe u can try some emu oil or aloe vera to calm whatever irritation? Lastly, i really hope for the speedy recovery of your scalp.

Regards

hairquest1 · Post by **hairquest1** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:30 am

Sorry to hear this! Hulli,
could you be more specific about your scalp condition after A&G Complex?
thanks and good luck my friend

goten574 · Post by **goten574** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:37 am

Dr.AQ wrote: goten: There is a formula that is applied to determine the price in the case of offering money back, there is a specific quantity and a price point
to upset the money back. I remember we were approached by a marketing company that wants to sell our skin care and I remember them talking about a money back if we can produce an X amount for the for the cost of Y and be able to sell Z, you get my point, right?

Yes, thanks

losinit · Post by **losinit** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:33 am

Maybe this post will return this thread to the topic of AG.

I have been following this blog for a little while now, and never considered posting. Based on this post, I couldn't help myself but purchase AG. I did so around April 1. Now, 4 weeks later, my last vile is finished. I can report that there is peach fuzz in front, where there is essentially no hair left, and the few hairs that remain appear stronger. Absolutely nothing major and you can't even tell unless you look at the scalp very closely. I tell my significant other that I have noticed something, and she thinks I'm crazy. The big test is the next ten weeks or so. If the peach fuzz strengthens and changes pigmentation, that would be a big deal. If there is no more progress, then the product was not worth it - not a fraud, just not worth it. Only time will tell.

Note, I appreciate everyone's skepticism, and I realize that by not posting pictures, I appear like a hack for AG. Pictures wouldn't reveal anything at this point anyway. Take my report for what it's worth - an anonymous blog posting. I've been following you guys on this blog, and feel like it has provided me with a service, and therefore felt compelled to post my report. I will update in the weeks ahead.

Post by **HairLossFight.com** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:07 am

Dr. AQ, Jacob, everyone,

Please let's get back to the matter at hand, which is the discussion of A&G Hair Complex. I am not going to change my mind about bug.

I have repeatedly explained why I took the action I took. Some have disagreed with it, and that's fine with me. I also said that I will delete any posts that are not directly related to the subject matter of this thread from this point forward. The posts made prior to this decision were moved to this thread: The moved posts are in the following thread in the non-hair-loss-discussions category: http://www.hairlossfight.com/forums/vie ... =22&t=1153 .

To nip this thing in the bud, I honestly don't care if people want to go to bugs site. That is not the issue. He could have had his cake and eaten too if he would have posted the FAQ in a thread on this site as well, and posted a link to *this* discussion on his FAQ page. That would have made it clear that his intent was not to move the discussion elsewhere. I asked him politely to do this in a PM when I saw that he had posted the URL to his site after saying he was going to leave here. He ignored me completely. Obviously, as the owner of this site, I have the right to not let people market their own sites using mine. And that is exactly what he is doing. Here is the URL: http://www.aghaircomplex.com/ag-hair-complex-faq/ . No mention is made of the fact that he used the A&G Complex thread on this site to put the FAQ together. No credit is given to this place whatsoever.

And now nobody can claim I am censoring anything. The URL is right there for anyone who wants to follow it. I will not however let further discussion on bug or bug's site detract from my site, or the discussion on A&G over here. I will delete any posts that are not focused on the subject matter of the thread. I don't have a lot of rules here, but one of them is that nobody is allowed to market their sites freely using mine. That's not too much to ask. If this type of thing happens again in the future, you bet I will not allow it. Now, let's move on.

Dr. AQ, I will wait to hear from you and look forward to talking to you.

Sam

Post by **HairLossFight.com** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:40 am

losinit wrote:Maybe this post will return this thread to the topic of AG. I have been following this blog for a little while now, and never considered posting. Based on this post, I couldn't help myself but purchase AG. I did so around April 1. Now, 4 weeks later, my last vile is finished. I can report that there is peach fuzz in front, where there is essentially no hair left, and the few hairs that remain appear stronger. Absolutely nothing major and you can't even tell unless you look at the scalp very closely. I tell my significant other that I have noticed something, and she thinks I'm crazy. The big test is the next ten weeks or so. If the peach fuzz strengthens and changes pigmentation, that would be a big deal. If there is no more progress, then the product was not worth it - not a fraud, just not worth it. Only time will tell.

Note, I appreciate everyone's skepticism, and I realize that by not posting pictures, I appear like a hack for AG. Pictures wouldn't reveal anything at this point anyway. Take my report for what it's worth - an anonymous blog posting. I've been following you guys on this blog, and feel like it has provided me with a service, and therefore felt compelled to post my report. I will update in the weeks ahead.

Hello losinit and welcome!

Thanks for the feedback. Hopefully the peachfuzz will convert to nice, visible, terminal hairs!

Cheers,
Sam

just_thinning · Post by **just_thinning** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:05 pm

Hi,

I have been following this site since b4 it was called hairlossfight, back when it was called morphollica. I never participated in the forums mostly because I prefer to read rather then write. I decided to join today to lend my support to the site by starting to post about my own experiences and getting involved. I also follow HLT, HLH, Regrowth, and Hairsite, all great sites too in their own way. But just wanted to let people know that of all of these, even though some are more active then here, I have always found it refreshing here. I have never seen Sam or Jacob to be unfair or unreasonable. I mean how many of the other sites allow doctors to post freely in their forums AND have a place that is mostly very friendly, and so easy to use and open. I don't want to take sides in the argument that took place here, but I do want to say that I have followed this site and seen Sam help a lot of people, and he has never prevented anyone from talking about any product or treatment or been biased. I know some people prefer a site where there is no moderation, but then you end up with a lot of bickering and fighting when negative people go on the attack. The perfect example of a place with almost no moderation is alt.baldspot. Has anyone checked that place out lately? It has been taken over by trolls completely. I think in fairness to Sam and Jacob, they have fostered a place where people can talk about pretty much anything in an atmosphere of open-ness and respect. I think its fair to hear their side of what happened and not get too excited. This site doesn't have a store and the only thing I see is some ads from google. I know that it costs money to run a site because I have friends that run an accounting website and they pay out of pocket for it. I for one will cut Sam some slack.

Sorry Sam if I continued talking about this subject here.

Anyways, I also wanted to thank Dr. AQ and everyone who has been sharing their experiences. I'm just waiting for what you all who have used the product have to say in a few months before I try it.

One question for those of you who are using the product. Does it absorb well and is it better to use it at night to avoid having messy hair through the day?

Thank you

Melissa · Post by **Melissa** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:12 pm

Any women using A&G here? Sorry, I admit I haven't read the full thread.

aviador · Post by **aviador** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:54 pm

Hello Dr. AQ,

I hope you read that I already received my order here in Paris. It was super fast, only 4 work days I think.

I applied today my first application and I am already feeling a kind of very soft itchiness. It has been like this all day. It´s not an annoying feeling at all more like if someone was using one of this head massage toys in my head.

I am expecting good things from your product. I still have tons of small weak hairs everywhere, the problem is that they are not developing and going thinner, but they are still there. If A&G HC works fine I could recuperate all my hair and then I will have to build you a monument.

Jacob · Post by **Jacob** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:24 pm

Welcome to the forum losinit and just_thinning..and Melissa if I haven't already welcomed you.

just_thinning...it's Sam's site, I'm just a mod here. Maybe a mod that is more po'd and "protective" than a mod should be..but just a mod nonetheless. But thanks for the kind words

kamui · Post by **kamui** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:26 pm

@ Melissa,

A person named Joanne purchased it a few weeks ago. Not sure how she is doing with it tho.

1..... · Post by **1.....** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:01 pm

Dr AQ,

I know alot of people are waiting on the pics, but would you say the results of the trialist that is posted on the website is an average, below average, or above average responder compared to the other trialist?

And did anyone here use a dermaroller and how are your results so far?

goten574 · Post by **goten574** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:39 pm

1... please ask questions to the dr in the http://www.hairlossfight.com/forums/vie ... f=9&t=1147

Post by **HairLossFight.com** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:25 am

@just_thinning,

Thank you.

Post by **HairLossFight.com** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:06 am

Live chat tonight, 5:30pm Pacific Time (8:30pm Eastern Time).

No guarantee, but Dr. AQ advised that he *may* attend.

To participate, join My.HairLossFight.com here: http://my.hairlossfight.com/account/register.php. It takes about 30 seconds to sign-up. Use your same nickname as in these forums. Right after you sign-up, take a moment to upload a profile picture. You can do this right from the first page that comes up after you sign-up. To join the chat, click Chat in the menu at the top of the page. The chat client doesn't work well with Internet Explorer, so try to use Firefox if you can.

Looking forward to chatting with you there!

Sam

Irishpete · Post by **Irishpete** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:12 am

HairLossFight.com wrote:Live chat tonight, 5:30pm Pacific Time (8:30pm Eastern Time).

No guarantee, but Dr. AQ advised that he *may* attend.

To participate, join My.HairLossFight.com here: http://my.hairlossfight.com/account/register.php. It takes about 30 seconds to sign-up. Use your same nickname as in these forums. Right after you sign-up, take a moment to upload a profile picture. You can do this right from the first page that comes up after you sign-up. To join the chat, click Chat in the menu at the top of the page. The chat client doesn't work well with Internet Explorer, so try to use Firefox if you can.

Looking forward to chatting with you there!

Sam

Thanks Sam. Is it possible to have a transcript of the live chat published for the benefit of us Europeans who will be in the land of Zzzzzzs at that time

cheers

Jacob · Post by **Jacob** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:43 pm

I think that would scare people away from participating in chat..if those not participating- everyone from everywhere...were allowed to read it. IMO.

Post by **HairLossFight.com** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:50 pm

@IrishPete, I'm not against the idea, but I currently don't yet know how to do this technically with the chat function. I will investigate though, and if I can find a way I may implement it.

Tonight's chat won't be transcripted unfortunately.

Regards,
Sam

hairquest1 · Post by **hairquest1** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:05 pm

Hi everyone!
A little note, for those who are interested, i have finally received my product! yes, i have it! :-"
Now, the most important part begins, see if if this product actually works...time will tell !

Jajo · Post by **Jajo** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:14 pm

Jacob wrote:I think that would scare people away from participating in chat..if those not participating- everyone from everywhere...were allowed to read it. IMO.

Why - were you planning on putting on your girlish flirt with the good doctor!?

Jajo

Jacob · Post by **Jacob** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:24 pm

Oh yeah..that's it

intricate1 · Post by **intricate1** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:28 pm

u guys any updates please!? $\:D/$

Jajo · Post by **Jajo** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:11 pm

Jacob wrote:Oh yeah..that's it

So how'd the chat go this evening? I was aimed and ready when a friend from out west called that I havent spoke to in ages...

Jajo

Swoosh · Post by **Swoosh** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:33 pm

Pics?

Jacob · Post by **Jacob** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:29 pm

Jajo wrote:
Jacob wrote:Oh yeah..that's it

So how'd the chat go this evening? I was aimed and ready when a friend from out west called that I havent spoke to in ages...

Jajo

It went real well. Sam was late as usual..with another lame excuse. Just kidding

Dr. AQ didn't make it, if anyone is wondering.

mrw · Post by **mrw** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:33 pm

1 MONTH ON AGHC UPDATE

Well, it has been one month since I started the AGHC (3 weeks since my last application). I hesitate to post this because I cant report this as a miracle yet, which I know most are hoping it is. What I can tell you is this:

Pros:
My scalp feels pretty good
Less oily
Scalp is less "stiff" and more pliable, feels healthier

Cons:
Hair is really dried out and brittle, looks like crap
I have lost TONS of hair- I mean I have shed a tremendous amount. I say this in the least emotional, most scientific way- a vast quantity of hair.

I have been on rogaine for a year (applied 2x a day) and in the beginning I shed a little as was to be expected, but it paled in comparison to the shedding seen with the AGHC. On the rogaine I have been just moving along with no change for a good six months, nice and steady. Then I use the AGHC and 2 weeks later...left temple- GONE, Right temple- almost gone. Crown is now see thru. I cannot stress how severe this shed has been. My hair is no longer cosmetically viable. I have shed both weak hairs and strong healthy, thick hairs.

I know many of you might be thinking- "oh, a shed is good, you will respond well", however, I dont feel that way because based on previous experience I have never once recovered from a shed. Once its gone its gone. Who knows maybe with this it will be different, but Im not holding my breath.

I know some follow up questions to this will ensue so I will try and anticipate them and give the following answers:
1. yes, I experienced the AGHC itch/tingle from day one
2. I used one vial per treatment every other day followed by 5-10 minute massage
3. No I did not use lasers, but I dermarolled with a 1mm roller before treatment
4. I did use rogaine 5% on the AGHC off days and still use it now 2x a day
5. No, I did not take pics- I wish I did, but I didnt. sorry.

I hope some of you are having better luck than me so far. I also fully expect Dr. AQ to say in response to this "this is normal, you are responding well." It seems that everything anyone has experienced is "normal and responding well."

Lets hope this ends up regrowing all that it has taken away- who knows, it might. All I can do now is stay positive.

Jajo · Post by **Jajo** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:23 pm

mrw wrote:1 MONTH ON AGHC UPDATE

Well, it has been one month since I started the AGHC (3 weeks since my last application). I hesitate to post this because I cant report this as a miracle yet, which I know most are hoping it is. What I can tell you is this:

Pros:
My scalp feels pretty good
Less oily
Scalp is less "stiff" and more pliable, feels healthier

Cons:
Hair is really dried out and brittle, looks like crap
I have lost TONS of hair- I mean I have shed a tremendous amount. I say this in the least emotional, most scientific way- a vast quantity of hair.

I have been on rogaine for a year (applied 2x a day) and in the beginning I shed a little as was to be expected, but it paled in comparison to the shedding seen with the AGHC. On the rogaine I have been just moving along with no change for a good six months, nice and steady. Then I use the AGHC and 2 weeks later...left temple- GONE, Right temple- almost gone. Crown is now see thru. I cannot stress how severe this shed has been. My hair is no longer cosmetically viable. I have shed both weak hairs and strong healthy, thick hairs.

I know many of you might be thinking- "oh, a shed is good, you will respond well", however, I dont feel that way because based on previous experience I have never once recovered from a shed. Once its gone its gone. Who knows maybe with this it will be different, but Im not holding my breath.

I know some follow up questions to this will ensue so I will try and anticipate them and give the following answers:
1. yes, I experienced the AGHC itch/tingle from day one
2. I used one vial per treatment every other day followed by 5-10 minute massage
3. No I did not use lasers, but I dermarolled with a 1mm roller before treatment
4. I did use rogaine 5% on the AGHC off days and still use it now 2x a day
5. No, I did not take pics- I wish I did, but I didnt. sorry.

I hope some of you are having better luck than me so far. I also fully expect Dr. AQ to say in response to this "this is normal, you are responding well." It seems that everything anyone has experienced is "normal and responding well."

Lets hope this ends up regrowing all that it has taken away- who knows, it might. All I can do now is stay positive.

mrw -

I really wish you had taken pictures - especially with your results being so dramatic.

IF this is to work as has been outlined by the Doc, your results (albeit a cosmetic retreat) thus far, should foretell a proportionally dramatic regrowth result going forward. I HOPE for your sake, and others like myself that are either just getting started (or about to) that this is the case! I really mean it!

So - if this does turn out to be the case, your photos would have brought comfort and encouragement to all following in your/our footsteps. Dramatically!

Good luck man (fingers crossed for ya!)
Jajo

Dr.AQ · Post by **Dr.AQ** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:23 pm

mrw: I am sorry to hear about your situation. From our study, some trialists did experience excessive hair shedding but the final results were very positive. I am happy to hear about the scalp condition, this is always a positive sign. I am glad to see that you are being positive and I am sure things will turn around for you soon. Please keep us posted with you progress and good luck.

mrw · Post by **mrw** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:36 pm

Jajo wrote:
mrw -

I really wish you had taken pictures - especially with your results being so dramatic.

IF this is to work as has been outlined by the Doc, your results (albeit a cosmetic retreat) thus far, should foretell a proportionally dramatic regrowth result going forward. I HOPE for your sake, and others like myself that are either just getting started (or about to) that this is the case! I really mean it!

So - if this does turn out to be the case, your photos would have brought comfort and encouragement to all following in your/our footsteps. Dramatically!

Good luck man (fingers crossed for ya!)
Jajo

Jajo-

I wish I took pics too. I chose not to because I tend to obsess over them and constantly check. I prefer to take things one day at a time otherwise my hairloss ends up running my life. I realize that being in a community like this people are counting on the earlier triers to take pics that it was selfish of me not to. Sorry about that. It also has the burden of not substantiating my claims. Although, many people did take pics and good ones at that, so, we can watch their progress. Oh yeah and my camera sucks

Good luck all

intricate1 · Post by **intricate1** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:58 am

mrw sorry body please keep us informed of your situation,thanks for the update. I did not want to mix the AGHC with minoxidil. Because minoxidil realy just slowed the thining, Minoxidil foam makes my hair appear thicker but it is not strong enough to stop the loss. I shaved my head before the first AGHC application, I scratch my head with a very fine metal comb before applying the complex. I use one vial for two applications because with short hair you need alot less to saturate the skin, I rub it in for 10 min with a plastic glove on. I wish it was an injectable.

ANYBODY WITH A POSITIVE UPDATE

hulihoop · Post by **hulihoop** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:31 pm

Hey guys,

A few of you were asking for more details about my scalp condition so here is my best attempt to describe it:

General redness from crown to just behind the hairline. This is most visible when see from an oblique angle rather than from directly above. Burning feeling to touch if I run my fingers over it and create ANY friction a lot like a sunburn feels like. A generalized itch. Initially I had a "hair pain" at the hair roots associated with it which I felt if I ran my hand against the grain or lay of my hair.

The good news is this has subsided dramatically in the last couple of days. My family GP thought it was psoriasis but also thought it looked like an allergic reaction. He gave me a steroid/anti psoriatic medication that I have used only twice. It makes my head itch more initially before bringing some degree of relief after 12 hours but it is terribly messy to use. I have reverted to the use of emu oil and a mild shampoo and that seems to be bringing things back under control to a degree. I have doubts it is psoriasis as the flaking etc just isn't there.

Currently I feel like there is a slow process of return to health for my scalp. There are large parts of the day where it feels normal and it feels normal after showering again which it didn't for a long time. It looks better but still is reddish in areas - some more than others - but better than it was. A side note is that my hair in these areas appears thicker at the base than it did and seems healthier. Not sure whether that is the case or my imagination but it seems that the long hair on my top is pretty indistinguishable from the long hair on my sides. I am still losing hair, primarily from my hairline and primarily shorter hairs but at a much slower rate than I was. I can see all of the empty follicles but don't see any activity in them. It is clear there is a ways to go to get my scalp looking like it does in the healthy areas like the back and sides but I feel I have actually made progress since my last post so that is at least a good sign. btw...tomorrow will be 21 days since my first A&G application.

I am still doubtful that I am going to see any results from this application. I just can't see how the follicle health could improve through all that irritation and inflammation even with the stimulation the HC provided, however I will admit that anything is possible. I am moving from somewhat depressed by the whole thing to cautiously optimistic as my scalp is making slow but I feel perceptable progress. I agree entirely with Dr. AQ re the importance of scalp health so that is my priority. As it gets better hopefully the hair health will improve and at some point in a month or so maybe I can try the HC again. For now my dilemma is whether or not to laser or not. I have been away in NYC for the past week and was unable to laser. This has coincided with an improvement in my scalp. All information available indicates lasers should help my scalp but maybe in this state it needs to recover a little more before it will be useful. I am really not sure what I will do.

Hope that answers the questions. Will keep you posted.

huli

hairquest1 · Post by **hairquest1** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:18 pm

Thanks Hulli,
I wish you a fast recover and more great news about the results!

Jacob · Post by **Jacob** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:31 pm

I've been around these types of forums for many years now, and have seen quite a few complaints about PG, and even alcohol. It is something almost everybody wishes were not in products.

I really wish A&G would go the lipo or nano route. Caregen has done that..Follizin..etc. There are other benefits besides getting away from alcohol and pg- see http://www.hairlossfight.com/forums/vie ... php?p=1402

kamisama · Post by **kamisama** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:35 pm

Jacob wrote:I've been around these types of forums for many years now, and have seen quite a few complaints about PG, and even alcohol. It is something almost everybody wishes were not in products.

I really wish A&G would go the lipo or nano route. Caregen has done that..Follizin..etc. There are other benefits besides getting away from alcohol and pg- see http://www.hairlossfight.com/forums/vie ... php?p=1402

i dont know about this, but is cost the problem? like using nano will drive up the cost insanely? If not i dont see other reasons not to go in that direction.

kamisama · Post by **kamisama** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:35 pm

Huli,

thanks for the in depth description. Speedy recovery to u!

Regards

Jacob · Post by **Jacob** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:40 pm

kamisama wrote:
Jacob wrote:I've been around these types of forums for many years now, and have seen quite a few complaints about PG, and even alcohol. It is something almost everybody wishes were not in products.

I really wish A&G would go the lipo or nano route. Caregen has done that..Follizin..etc. There are other benefits besides getting away from alcohol and pg- see http://www.hairlossfight.com/forums/vie ... php?p=1402

i dont know about this, but is cost the problem? like using nano will drive up the cost insanely? If not i dont see other reasons not to go in that direction.

It may..or may not. Depends upon what they'd go with and what type of volume they'd be making/selling. They could at least offer it for those who wouldn't mind paying the extra...and/or didn't want alcohol and/or pg...or didn't want to have to massage it in so long. Plus all the other, possible, benefits..some of which are listed in that thread.

Jacob · Post by **Jacob** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:47 pm

And btw..your last question to Dr AQ in the other thread reminded me of something. Yes, the scalp can easily react to something your face or other body part won't react to. A person can be using a hair product- shampoo or whatever..that irritates the heck outta their scalp, and yet even along the sides and back of the head and other places the product contacts- it doesn't bother them. I'm speaking from person experience, as well as having read that from others. The same for an allergic type of reaction to food- your scalp can go nuts and the rest of you is fine.

But even if irritation/inflammation isn't noticeable..there's micro-inflammation. Which was a big topic some time ago..in other forums at least. Here's a page on that: http://www.lipoxidil.com/site/microinflammation.php

kamisama · Post by **kamisama** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:11 pm

Regarding the batch of higher cost of complex, it is really a good idea as im sure many of us are willing to pay as long as there is results. But again, the cost would be a problem, at least at this stage of time, where the a&g's effectiveness is still unknown. So to make a batch of nano or lipo, with no substantial demand for it, would not be economical on their side, both time and money. Unless well, they can be so damn sure and confident of its effectiveness as the demand for it (if it really works) will be exploding out of universe.

And thanks for the info on inflammation. scan through it reading the highlighted areas. Come to think of it, certain food seem to make my scalp itch. One such food i think is peanuts.

driver52 · Post by **driver52** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:50 pm

Dr.AQ wrote:mrw: I am sorry to hear about your situation. From our study, some trialists did experience excessive hair shedding but the final results were very positive. I am happy to hear about the scalp condition, this is always a positive sign. I am glad to see that you are being positive and I am sure things will turn around for you soon. Please keep us posted with you progress and good luck.

I wonder how long this shed will last. I am almost at a month since I started AGHC and at first it seemed as though my shedding was slowing...but I think that that could have been due to all the hairs coming out during the massage that would have usually came out in the shower. Now it has been a couple weeks since my last application and it seems as though the shedding is accelerating. I shook my dry hair over the sink after a shower and at least 20 hairs landed in the sink..mostly of my normal hair length. This is kind of depressing but I still have hope that things will turn around. What else can I do right

driver52 · Post by **driver52** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:52 pm

Also I have had quite a bit of flaky skin coming off my scalp for the past 2 weeks or so...hopefully that subsides soon

Jacob · Post by **Jacob** » Fri May 01, 2009 7:38 am

kamisama wrote:Regarding the batch of higher cost of complex, it is really a good idea as im sure many of us are willing to pay as long as there is results. But again, the cost would be a problem, at least at this stage of time, where the a&g's effectiveness is still unknown. So to make a batch of nano or lipo, with no substantial demand for it, would not be economical on their side, both time and money. Unless well, they can be so damn sure and confident of its effectiveness as the demand for it (if it really works) will be exploding out of universe.

And thanks for the info on inflammation. scan through it reading the highlighted areas. Come to think of it, certain food seem to make my scalp itch. One such food i think is peanuts.

I agree..if there are no results, or very little, for the vast majority of us already using it..there's no point in making it lipo/nanosomal since we were told that this stuff works the way it is. Even when LLLT isn't used- it is just supposed to take a bit more time for it to work. In that liposome thread, there's an example of something that worked with a liposomal type vehicle..but it didn't work with a "regular" vehicle. But again, since this stuff is supposed to work wonders already..

I can see a lipo/nano version if there are some decent results but it's obvious it's going to have to be used over and over every 2 months or so.

perga · Post by **perga** » Fri May 01, 2009 7:25 pm

What's up everybody. So a quick update from me, it is day 31 since the first day I started to use the treatment and here is how it went:

During treatment I had very little if any tingle/itchyness I could positively attribute to A&G. I did have massive amounts of dead skin coming off my head though.

I changed all of the following things just before starting A&G:
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discontinue revivogen at hairline at night
discontinue super zix II 2x a day
discontinue coconut oil prewash conditioner
discontinue nioxin scalp therapy/conditioner
reduced finasteride dosage to .75mg/Day instead of 1mg/day
slacking on taking my vitamins.

Since finishing I have gone back to the following...
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using Super Zix II 2x a day again.

After 5-7 days since finishing A&G my head was/is driving me insane with tingle/itchiness. It feels just as bad (good?) as when I just started taking propecia a long time ago.

Positive signs? There are new hairs coming in at my most receded temple, no doubt about it. The peach fuzz upwards from the sideburn is growing longer as well. I also feel like my overall head seems to look better, though that could be just because it is getting longer.

Right now, it is still too early to give a fair assessment of whether or not this is worth it, but I would say the signs are looking positive... now I just need to get some significant hair back.

I will repost my pictures soon, I took them down because I didn't want bug making off with my bald noodle and posting it all over the internet.

goten574 · Post by **goten574** » Fri May 01, 2009 7:35 pm

perga wrote:What's up everybody. So a quick update from me, it is day 31 since the first day I started to use the treatment and here is how it went:

During treatment I had very little if any tingle/itchyness I could positively attribute to A&G. I did have massive amounts of dead skin coming off my head though.

I changed all of the following things just before starting A&G:
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discontinue revivogen at hairline at night
discontinue super zix II 2x a day
discontinue coconut oil prewash conditioner
discontinue nioxin scalp therapy/conditioner
reduced finasteride dosage to .75mg/Day instead of 1mg/day
slacking on taking my vitamins.

Since finishing I have gone back to the following...
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using Super Zix II 2x a day again.

After 5-7 days since finishing A&G my head was/is driving me insane with tingle/itchiness. It feels just as bad (good?) as when I just started taking propecia a long time ago.

Positive signs? There are new hairs coming in at my most receded temple, no doubt about it. The peach fuzz upwards from the sideburn is growing longer as well. I also feel like my overall head seems to look better, though that could be just because it is getting longer.

Right now, it is still too early to give a fair assessment of whether or not this is worth it, but I would say the signs are looking positive... now I just need to get some significant hair back.

I will repost my pictures soon, I took them down because I didn't want bug making off with my bald noodle and posting it all over the internet.

This is excellent news, but would you say the response is on par with the hair growth the man got on the A&G website after 1 month? I know the pictures aren't very good but I do see hair growth.

kamisama · Post by **kamisama** » Fri May 01, 2009 8:19 pm

guys, i actually have a ques that has been bugging me for quite some time. This is not related to a&g but i would like to ask here as this is the thread with most traffic. Mod please remove if you find it appropriate. thanks in advance.

The ques is, what is the actual relationship between scalp hair and body hair? i know that DHT actually stimulates body hair, this would mean that there is an inverse r/s between the two. but yet sometimes i come across articles or experiments that seem to support the other end. For example, i read an experiment by someone (i think at hlt) who try rubbing nizoral cream on his wrist and realise the hair grows darker/thicker after some time. Yea so in summary, if a product thickens or grew hair on body hair, does it works for scalp or is it actually an inverse relationship (stop body hair growth = possibly grow scalp hair)

Jajo · Post by **Jajo** » Fri May 01, 2009 8:33 pm

perga wrote: I also feel like my overall head seems to look better, though that could be just because it is getting longer.

perga -

I didn't know head elongation was a side-effect of AGHC!?

Seriously though - glad things are moving in a good direction for you. BTW - for reference sake in following your progress, what Norwood are you? (I never saw your pictures when they were up)

Jajo

Post by **HairLossFight.com** » Fri May 01, 2009 8:52 pm

Jajo wrote:Seriously though - glad things are moving in a good direction for you. BTW - for reference sake in following your progress, what Norwood are you? (I never saw your pictures when they were up)

Hey Perga, good to see you back. I wondered why you deleted those pics...

There's a way you can control who can see your albums by the way. Did you know that? You can add an album, and only allow your friends in the My.HairLossFight.com section to see them. Here's how: Click "Tools" in the menu at the top of the My.HairLossFight.com page, then choose "Photos" from the menu, then in the left-side bar click "Create new album". The following page comes up:

: add_new_album_friends_only.png (72.44 KiB) Viewed 94907 times

In the picture above, I have zoomed in on the dropdown box that lets you select who can see your albums. Your choices are Public, Private, Logged in Users, and Friends. If you choose Private, then ONLY you can see your album. That way you don't have to delete it if you ever want to share it again. If you choose Logged in Users, then only users logged into My.HairLossFight.com can see it. If you choose Friends, then only people that you have added as friends to your profile can see it. That way, you can limit the view to only specific people or groups. If someone isn't a member of My.HairLossFight.com then if you choose either Logged In Users or Friends, then the public can't see it.

Hope that helps.

Cheers,
Sam

Jajo · Post by **Jajo** » Sat May 02, 2009 2:05 am

If one were to use a Derma Roller for the sole purpose to aid absoption of the AGHC, what size is best for this purpose? I've read so many conflicting articles on Dermarolling (in general). It seems most recommend a .5mm for the purpose of facilitating absorption of topicals. I'm sure this is sufficient - but is is there any benefit to using a .75 or a 1.0mm roller? OR for that matter, is there a reason why anyone would suggest not using one period, irrespective of size?

Knowledgable input would be greatly appreciated!

Jajo

1..... · Post by **1.....** » Sat May 02, 2009 2:27 am

about 4 week update for me,

no new hairs from last time I posted pics. shedding is down dramatically, very rarely see hairs in shower or sink. small hairs that grew at the beginning are now getting longer.

perga · Post by **perga** » Sat May 02, 2009 7:25 am

@goten: actually, that seems to be what is happening for me. The hair just seems thicker than it used to. I don't want to jump the gun here, because really, at this point it is not $200.00 worth of thickness, and could just be my imagination in any case... but thus far I am pleased. It looks like the guy on the website didn't really see that much until week 12, though those pictures are really pretty bad. His hair is clearly longer at week 12. Bleh. Who knows... I'll keep you guys updated.

@jajo: My norwood is very low, but that's because I am a diffuse thinner. My entire NW7 is drastically (at least, to my eyes) thinner than it used to be.

@sam: that's actually really helpful! Thanks.