A&G Hair Complex from A&G Skin Solutions

Swoosh · Post by **Swoosh** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 10:25 pm

Dr. AQ,

Sorry if this has already been addressed, but would you recommend applying the serum to all of my scalp, or just the typical MPB pattern?

Jajo · Post by **Jajo** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:28 pm

Melon Collie wrote:Jacob,
I see your point though, maybe it is just increasing the penetration. The Regrowth forum is always talking about the bio-stimulation affects...but perhaps it's increasing the absorption of whatever topicals they're using or both.

That was my point exactly in my first post - that LLLT likely effected a more efficient transdermal delivery of the active ingredients (was trying to decide whether to use it alone or with LLLT).

I think I have now finally come to the conclusion that I am going to use it in conjunction with LLLT - I figure why not do whatever you can to set the stage for the best possible results from the get-go. Even if I got a "good" result from the topical alone, I would always wonder if my result would have been even better had I used it with LLLT.

Anybody get a quote for what 5 or so sessions cost on average? What do these DIY helmets cost to make? I did a quick scan of someone's "how to" page last night and seems easy enough. Anyone here make one yet?

Jajo

Dr.AQ · Post by **Dr.AQ** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 2:21 am

Aloha everyone..
Before answering questions, I would like to apologize for all the other forums and the different threads for not participating. After joining the forum, I've been receiving 100's of emails, giving me no time to participate or even read the other forums.
short answer :

Jajo : Yes and yes.

Perga : NO MiNOXIDIL

astro-boy : Thank you

, A&G Complex is liquid and not serum (easy to penetrate)

Melon Collie : 1) using laser with the complex is a good idea and you don't need to stop
2) you can but not necessary.. let me know what happens
3) No, I don't think that will be a problem

Jacob : She forwarded your email to me. Yes, send her an email with the arrangement and i will respond. Or email me. I am sorry to hear about William. Good to see you

Liposomes are limited with molecular size, thus they can't carry everything (did you think of that??)

Jajo : I like your thinking

Melon Collie : You are right about the laser.. Laser also increases mitochondrial activity (electron shuttling) thus increasing cellular energy.

Swoosh : this is something you have to decide on, I will say lets fix what's missing first

I got an email asking me "what is liposome? Does ag complex have liposome inside? "
its all Jacob's fault

Good night or rather good morning

Jacob · Post by **Jacob** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 6:32 am

Melon Collie wrote:Jacob, I guess I''m saying that whatever the mechanism of the serum, lasers treatments seem to boost its performance.

Dr. AQ wrote on page 4
3)without laser it goes to 8 weeks but people who did not show improvement with topical applications showed positive results with laser.

I know..that's why I said "Maybe it's really an unknown if the LLLT really does speed things up etc." You can replace "if" with "how", I suppose.

Jacob · Post by **Jacob** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 6:40 am

Jajo..I got a quote of $77 per LLLT session. That's using it before and after the topical, as Dr. AQ described. So I'm going to pass this time around...it's a good 30 minutes away for me as well.

Dr. AQ..yep, I thought of that..but no-one has said that's the problem here

Caregen does encapsulate theirs, but you said you use different ingredients..and w/out knowing what those ingredients are...

I did get an email from Kimberly last night..seems she's swamped. Everybody is blaming everything on me it seems :-"

edit..and I also got a response from William today

cloud9 · Post by **cloud9** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 7:23 am

I copied this from regrowth and would like Dr A.Q. to talk about it . Here is the post .

what i dont get is once the treatment is done why the process of miniturisation wouldnt start all over again. if it works to the extent claimed that would be amazing but would we need to contnue to interrupt the mpb process from starting all over again?

Bombarie · Post by **Bombarie** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 7:28 am

Hi foto`s are coming this weekend right?

Jacob · Post by **Jacob** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:47 am

Dr. AQ...could you tell us a bit more about the La Jolla Institute for Research? Do you have a website for it? Thanks

hulihoop · Post by **hulihoop** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 11:13 am

I just saw this post over at Regrowth (in a thread saying this product is a scam):

About 3 weeks ago, I bought the A&G skin serum. Wanted to check it out for the obvious skin improvement reasons...but also to see if their products were any good before trying the hair serum.
I use lasers, so if this stuff complimented laser use with good results, I'd consider it.

My review on the skin serum...astonishingly good. Seriously. I have spent more money than I'd ever admit on "miracle" skin care products that didn't live up to the hype, but this stuff is really good. Suddenly (in the last week), I'm getting compliments on my skin every day. I NEVER hear compliments like this.

So...I can't speak for the hair serum, but based on my experience with the skin serum, I'll definitely give it a try.

The skin serum is ridiculously expensive (almost $200), but to have people start telling me how nice my skin looks after 2 weeks is something that's never had happen before.

(Hopefully, most of you know I've been around these boards (mostly HLH) for awhile. I've never endorsed anything and have no connection to this company other than having bought one bottle.)

I was thinking of doing this myself but I guess I was saving my $200 for the Hair Complex.

Anyway, that testimonial is pretty much in line with whatever you can find online. And it comes from a regular, known poster as opposed to someone who might clearly be a plant. I must admit there is so much more I'd like to know about this product before I use it but patience is the operative word here. There are still 6 days till the launch. Lots of time to find more info. Then I guess I am just going to give it a go!

hulihoop · Post by **hulihoop** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 2:10 pm

Hey Perga, great research to pull up those links over on Regrowth. Those coupled with Joanne's experience with the skin serum and William's latest answers have me busting at the seams ready to try this stuff. I also think it is worth cutting Dr. AQ some slack. He's got a product to launch and there must be a ton of stuff involved in that, a web site to get up (I am as anxious as everyone else to see that), a business to run and I am sure a family he doesn't want to ignore. The fact that he's been here at all is amazing. If he hasn't answered every question yet they may all be answered once the web site is updated. At some point though we just have to make up our own minds to give it a try.

bug · Post by **bug** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 7:58 pm

Dr AQ

Since I cant get any answers about ingedients or how your product works I'll ask something else...

Why is the description of your skin serum a direct cut and paste from a skin product(ReLuma) by Invitrx? See both below with only the names of the product changed. It would appear ReLuma has been around since 2005 or earlier.

http://www.invitrx.com/invitra/patient_about.htm

ReLuma is an anti-aging skin serum formulated with patent-pending technology for the delivery of key growth factors found in natural human skin. These natural human growth factors include TGF-b(1-3) [Transforming growth factor beta], PDGF [Platelet derived growth factor], GM-CSF [Granulocyte-macrophage colony-stimulating factor], and Interleukins (IL3, IL6-8). As we age, the production of these growth factors within skin is reduced, and leads to wrinkling and thinning of the skin.

By re-introducing these factors through daily application of ReLuma, damaged skin cells may be repaired, and skin tissue regenerated. The visible results from ReLuma are that the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles may be diminished, and smoother, more luminous skin may result. As the effects of ReLuma work through your own natural processes of skin renewal, visible results take time. Moderate skin renewal may occur within 4 weeks, but optimal improvement to your skin is generally not reached until after 3 months of daily use.

Patients from an ongoing clinical study had the following results after only 4 weeks of use with ReLuma1:
88% of the women saw improvement in overall appearance of their skin
75% experienced improvement in skin texture/smoothness
70% felt an increase in skin firmness and elasticity
70% saw a reduction in the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles.

1. Data on file, Invitrx, Inc.

http://www.agskinsolutions.com/science.html

A & G Active Serum is an anti-aging skin serum formulated with patent-pending technology for the delivery of key growth factors found in natural human skin. These natural human growth factors include TGF-b(1-3) [Transforming growth factor beta], PDGF [Platelet derived growth factor], GM-CSF [Granulocyte-macrophage colony-stimulating factor], and Interleukins (IL3, IL6-8). As we age, the production of these growth factors within skin is reduced, and leads to wrinkling and thinning of the skin.

By re-introducing these factors through daily application of A & G Active Serum, damaged skin cells are repaired, and skin tissue regenerated. The visible results from A & G Active Serum are that the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles will be diminished, and smoother, more luminous skin will result. As the effects of A & G Active Serum work through your own natural processes of skin renewal, visible results will be noticed as soon as three days. Moderate skin renewal may occur within two weeks, but optimal improvement to your skin is generally not reached until after one month of daily use. Patients from an ongoing clinical study had the following results after only four weeks of use with A & G Active Serum1:

94% of the women saw improvement in overall appearance of their skin
85% experienced improvement in skin texture/smoothness
79% felt an increase in skin firmness and elasticity
87% saw a reduction in the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles.

1 Data on file, A & G Skin Solutions, Inc.

bug

bug · Post by **bug** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 8:05 pm

Actually I didnt read the last couple lines carefully. You changed the a&g one to say it worked faster and better....very weird!

Moderate skin renewal may occur within 4 weeks, but optimal improvement to your skin is generally not reached until after 3 months of daily use.

Patients from an ongoing clinical study had the following results after only 4 weeks of use with ReLuma1:
88% of the women saw improvement in overall appearance of their skin
75% experienced improvement in skin texture/smoothness
70% felt an increase in skin firmness and elasticity
70% saw a reduction in the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles.

1. Data on file, Invitrx, Inc.

Moderate skin renewal may occur within two weeks, but optimal improvement to your skin is generally not reached until after one month of daily use.

Patients from an ongoing clinical study had the following results after only four weeks of use with A & G Active Serum1:

94% of the women saw improvement in overall appearance of their skin
85% experienced improvement in skin texture/smoothness
79% felt an increase in skin firmness and elasticity
87% saw a reduction in the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles.

1 Data on file, A & G Skin Solutions, Inc.

Jacob · Post by **Jacob** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 8:15 pm

Bug..this was discussed at Regrowth. It's the same product..different name..can't explain the results/%'s though. They also have another completely different line: http://www.benev.com/main.html

Edit..the other product *may* be a private label thing...as you can see in the Benev link, they do that. But I'm sure Dr. AQ knows more about it than me

Did a Whois on the second company..different reg than A&G: Torfi, Habib htorfi@invitrx.com

bug · Post by **bug** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 8:31 pm

Jacob

A&G and Invitrx are two completely different companies but I did find an association:
http://www.invitrx.com/070313_DNA-Invitrx_PR.html

Habib Torfi, CEO and Principal Founder of Invitrx, Inc, a privately held tissue engineering and stem cell corporation based in Mission Viejo, CA, announced the formation of a new company, DNA-Invitrx, Inc. that has been co-founded with the DNA Corporation of Guadalajara, Mexico. Invitrx will first bring its patented skin graft product to the Guadalajara market, followed by rapid expansion into the other major Mexican markets. The Invitrx skin grafts have been successfully used on burn patients at a major metropolitan Guadalajara hospital, were patients were observed to quickly heal and have greatly reduced pain when the Invitrix skin grafts were applied. Ahmed Al-Qahtani, M.D. a professor of medicine at UAE’s medical school and a researcher at the University of California, Irvine, will serve as Chief Medical Officer, and Greg Maguire, PhD, a former professor at the University of California, San Diego School of Medicine, serves as Chief Scientific Officer and VP of Business Development. Quoting CEO Habib Torfi, “We chose to locate in Guadalajara and partner with the DNA Corporation because of the world class infrastructure in Guadalajara, including several highly regarded hospitals that serve the Guadalajara regional area, and because of close proximity to our first major markets in Mexico, including Guadalajara and Mexico City, a market that is vastly underserved and conservatively estimated to be valued at 200 million USD per year.” DNA-Invitrx, Inc. is initially producing skin grafts for leg ulcers, burns, and trauma and providing these grafts to leading medical doctors in the Mexican market. Dr. Maguire added, “Invitra CS, our composite skin graft product, is a living matrix formed by fibroblasts and supporting scaffolding composed of collagen and a specialized mesh. Because the Invitra CS is a highly viable living network, the Invitrx graft is the most effective means to close wounds because of the graft’s ability to communicate wound healing signals to surrounding tissue.” Dr. Al Qahtani stated that “because of the special wound healing signals released from the Invitrx skin graft, we observe in the clinic a superior rate of healing and reduction in pain in our patients compared to that of other products.” Dr. David Medina, a reconstructive plastic surgeon and Director of the burn unit at Guadalajara Civic Hospital, observed that “with Invitra CS we have demonstrated a new cutting-edge technique to better close wounds, and we are pleased that Guadalajara will be one of the first clinical sites in the world to offer this advanced technique to alleviate the pain and suffering of wounds associated with diabetic ulcer, trauma, and burns.”

Contact:
Greg Maguire, PhD
CSO, VP Business Development
Invitrx, Inc.
858-699-3601
gmaguire@invitrx.com

Neither of the A&G guys seem to be associated with Invitrix beyond this old press release.

What I find really weird is if these two products are the same then why are the results from the "clinical trial" fudged? Kinda hurts their credibility.

Additionally I cant find a pending patent for either of these products or anything related to them or to anybody involved with either company.

perga · Post by **perga** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 8:46 pm

First off, the products may be contain the same active ingredients, but different ratios, or perhaps with other adjuncts, thus the discrepancy in results. The good news, however, is that Reluma ALSO has very positive reviews from the skin care community... so whatever these two products are doing, they both do it well.

I really don't care what company is growing my hair back; as long as it grows back, I'm fine with it.

I think as a community of rabid (hairloss) wolverines, we should cut A&G some slack and at the very least wait for an update from the doc.

Melon Collie · Post by **Melon Collie** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:14 pm

Thanks Perga...but I would prefer to be addressed as a Rabid (diffuse thinning) Wolverine. Thank you very much.

I must have this serum now!!!

astro_boy · Post by **astro_boy** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 10:08 pm

So whats the big deal? The skin solution was developed under a different name or licensed out? Who cares? Also that press release seems to increase the doctors credibility if anything... shows they're doing good work...

Jajo · Post by **Jajo** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 10:44 pm

Dr.AQ wrote:Jajo : I like your thinking

Thanks Doc!

and thanks for answering my questions and/or confirming my conclusions.

Jacob -

$77 per eh? Hmmm - might be more cost-effective to make one of those DIY laser helmet weapons? Also - what was the recommended protocol when using LLLT with this stuff? (before and after? duration?) Thanks!

Bug -

Reads like a licensing deal to me...

Jajo

hulihoop · Post by **hulihoop** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 11:11 pm

Bug,

I am completely willing to cut Dr. AQ some slack for not answering your questions or even all of ours. The fact that Dr. AQ has been here at all is incredible. Has that ever happened before during the release of a product?

Your questions are legitimate questions, fair enough, but the last ones come across as pretty accusatory. These guys haven't done anything wrong. I agree with some of posters since your last post. The stuff you brought up actually makes them, quite frankly, look even better. They've done good work. Their skin stuff works wonders. Makes me think even more the hair stuff is going to work great too.

I realize many people have been disappointed with hair loss treatments before and spent a ton of money on something that doesn't work and is, what did you say before....nothing but distilled water?? To imply that this is the same because they haven't provided answers to your questions or because they have sold a product they have developed under two labels is pretty unfair. Let them at least get all the info up on the website before you start with the line you were taking in your last posts.

I for one appreciate Dr. AQ coming on this forum to answer as many of our questions as he feels he can at this time. He doesn't owe us anything and doesn't need to be here. I am excited to try their product and hopeful it will work as well as they are saying it has worked in the trialists. Of course if something looks fishy once we see more information I can change my mind, but honestly, I think it is about time someone came up with something better than the pathetic stuff the industry has produced to date. The science has been there to do it, it just needed someone to get it done. Based on their skin care products I believe this might well be it!

You are free to try it or not try it. If you aren't convinced or your scam radar is telling you not to that is your choice. Why don't you wait till some of the rest of us try it and report back to you? You have nothing to lose that way except time. Just please don't bring the bitter, angry hair loss victim attitude here and make posts that drip with disrespect for a distinguished scientist who has taken the unprecedented step of joining us here.

Finally, if I inferred something from your posts that wasn't implied than I apologize to you and retract what I have just written.

Respectfully,

Hulihoop

Melon Collie · Post by **Melon Collie** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 11:35 pm

bug wrote:Dr AQ
Why is the description of your skin serum a direct cut and paste from a skin product(ReLuma) by Invitrx? See both below with only the names of the product changed. It would appear ReLuma has been around since 2005 or earlier.

Bug,
I believe I read somewhere on the web a while back that Dr. AQ was at one time affiliated with Invitrx. So maybe, since 2005 he and Dr McGuire formed A&G and using the same knowledge made their own products and in the process actually improved the effectiveness. That might explain the reason the copy changed in as far as the A&G study showed faster and better results.

As far as why the rest of the wording being the same...that seems logical as the trial for both product lines were probably very similar if not identically run. I don't see anything wrong with that.Nor do I see how this has anything to do with the Hair Serum????

SW2 · Post by **SW2** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:35 am

Well said Hulihoop - i couldn't agree with you more.

I do know how hard fighting hair loss is and how it affects our day to day lives, how we envy those around us with full heads of hair, and how excited we get about new products that we hope will end this. I'm not saying A&G's serum is going to be the solution; but i sure as hell think it might be! Lots of products have let me down mainly because the amount of scams, gimmicks and useless treatments out there are too plenty to count. Truth is battling balding is and has always been a huge industry as hopeful people constantly pump money into what we think might be a solution.

A&G has a great line of skin products and there's nothing arguing this point. Call it whatever company you want, with whatever figures and text that may have been copied from a similar or even exact same product on a different site. It still results in the same conclusion - and the fact is A&G has a reputation for good quality skin care treatments. Now they've developed a serum to help fight hair loss! I understand we should be skeptical of many many products, but being optimistic and positive can only help. Dr.AQ has been nice enough to participate in this forum and has opened up to hear our skepticism, remarks and to answer our questions prior to launch which i'm sure is a busy time. So to those who don't think this product will work - don't post in this thread anymore. Those, including myself, who are optimistic and excited about this release will continue to report our results; and if this works as well as we hope, then any skeptics will have true results from their peers.

So to Dr.AQ - Thanks, thanks and thanks. I'm looking forward to friday! To everyone that's on-board with launch date, i'm excited for each of you as well. To skeptics - remain in the forums and wait for posted results. If you're right then these threads will be quiet. If you're wrong, then you'll only be a few months behind us when you order your serum package. Either way, we're all fighting the same battle and i firmly believe Dr.AQ has stepped up to help.

Dutchhairloss · Post by **Dutchhairloss** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 6:36 am

Dear Dr AQ,

Here in Holland we're hoping that this is the treatment of miracle for our hair too.
There are some things that I just have to ask:

-Can you tell us something about Skin Medica TNS Recovery Complex. This complex has the same (and even more) ingredients as your skinsolution. Is there an affiliation between AG and Skin medica? Or are you in any other way connected to each other?

-Is it safe to say that this serum makes my hair go back to the state before "the first DHT attack"?
-if this is true, can it be said that my hair will undergo the same cycle of hairminiaturisation (is that a word?) as it did now?
in other words:
I'm 21 now. I started balding when I was 17. Does this serum take my hair back to how it was when I was 17, and will my hair degenerate after I finished the cure, to how I am now (over the same course of time).
In short: does this serum "reset" my hair to how it was before the first DHT attack?

How late is your website updated? (I understood that this would be done this weekend?).

Last question:
I understand that telling us the "ingredients" of the hairserum is not a smart option at the moment. Can you however provide us with RESULTS of this treatment? There is no harm in that as far as I know...
I don't mean results as in charts or medical papers. I would really like to see some photo's of you and dr. Maguire, since both of you used this treatment. I (and I think most of us) would really appreciate some before and after photo's of you and dr. Maguire.

Thank you in advance!

astro_boy · Post by **astro_boy** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:38 am

We should probably be more careful about throwing around words like "miracle" and "cure" just for now. I think we'll all be happy if the product simply does what it says it will do.

On to the questions:

Dr. AQ, in the clinical laser treatments do you know if hair was washed before or after the lasering?

Whoop · Post by **Whoop** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:50 am

Lol I hate it when this happens. The doc isn't responding as quick as before anymore, duplicate skinserums are found and all of a sudden the hairserum is a scam.

People come on. We should be very happy with the interaction we have with the docter. Normally the producers don't even have the time to do this. Or don't want to spend time on it.

Why would it be bad that A&G are selling the same thing as that other company (forgot the name). If it really was theft, the other company would have done something about it don't ya think? And if there are so many people writing it's an excellent product, then what's all the fuzz about?

I still have high hopes on this product and I can't wait for it to come out. And I'm also checking the A&G website for it to be updated. But we all know this can be delayed a little. A&G probably outsourced their website, so they are dependent too. We have been waiting for years for THE anti hairloss product to come out, we can add a few days to that now can't we?

So stop accusing the doc and A&G for things we're not even 100% sure of!

Just my 2 cents.

refreshes the A&G homepage once more... damnit.. nothing happened

astro_boy · Post by **astro_boy** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 2:01 pm

well it IS Sunday after all... even if the new site was finished over the weekend I doubt anybody would be uploading it until regular work hours.

Let's try and be patient.. I know it's hard.

Richie · Post by **Richie** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 4:34 pm

What wonderful news! I am really excited about the A&G Hair Complex.
I looked over the A&G website and will probably be ordering a few other products as well.
I have been taking Propecia for about 3 months and have not experienced any sexual side effects whatsoever,
but I have been experiencing extreme dryness on my chin area. Has anybody else had this reaction?
Regardless, the Propecia, Xandrox 15 plus, Spiro, Nioxin, Emu Oil, Vitamins(Taurine,Zinc,Green Tea Extract,Biotin combo) has been working great for me. I can really see a substantial difference from where I was before.
I have been a diffuse thinner for about 20 years, since late teens.

I have a question for Dr AQ:

If I start with A&G Hair Complex, can I still use my current treatment on in between days, or after I finish with the A&G treatment?
Would what I'm using now interfere with the A&G treatment.
I'm just afraid that the gains I've experienced would be lost if I just all of a sudden stop.
What do you think?

astro_boy · Post by **astro_boy** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:04 pm

Website is up, or maybe partially? Doesn't look quite finished to me yet. Definitely needs more result pictures, hopefully we get some more.

perga · Post by **perga** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:08 pm

Website is at least partly updated. I was actually disappointed with the results of the pictures they have... until I realized the first and second picture are THE SAME GUY.

The guy pictured looks like NW6ish or so, and he definitely gets some significant regrowth (especially in that ridge from ear to ear area). And that is only at week 15! I reallllly hope they post some more photos and release a PDF with some info in it.

astro_boy · Post by **astro_boy** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:20 pm

Yeah it took me a second to see that too because it keeps switching so quickly. I actually grabbed the picture to hold it still and the regrowth around the horseshoe area looks pretty decent like a NW6 to a NW5V or something... I still wish there was more examples though, maybe some showing more growth on top.

redbird · Post by **redbird** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:48 pm

I think the week 5 picture definitely looks like he has more hair than week 0. But the week 8, 12, and 15, it's hard to tell, because it looks like the hair is longer than in the first 3 pictures. This again goes to making sure that all pictures are taken with the hair the exact same length.

Hopefully there will be more pictures.

bug · Post by **bug** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:49 pm

Come on ...you guys are putting words in my mouth. The least you cant do is provide a direct quote where Im saying this is all a scam. Besides what do you care? Ignore my questions if you dont like them. They are addressed to Dr AQ and not anybody else. Im sure he is capable of answering for himself.

Now on to other stuff...

Dr AQ

Why do you have the guy with his nose pressed into the white head brace thingy in the 0 week photo and then in the next photo you have his head tilted forward slightly and then in the 3rd photo he is titled to the point where the brace is between his eyebrows..the 4th photo he is titled even more forward...so on and so forth. In each of the six photos he has his head progressively tilted more and more forward. Just curious

(nobody else needs to answer

)

bug

redbird · Post by **redbird** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:51 pm

Also, the angle of the pictures are different, which also needs to be corrected in future pictures. You can clearly see his eyes in the first 2. Partially in the 3rd. But not at all in the last 3 pictures. It looks like the lighting is darker in the last 3 pictures as well, but that could be because the pictures are taken from a different angle.

redbird · Post by **redbird** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:52 pm

Ha ha. Sorry bug. I submitted mine right after yours.

astro_boy · Post by **astro_boy** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:59 pm

Week 12 the hair looks much longer at the sides than week 8, I'm wondering how it grew so fast in such a short period of time.

p__ · Post by **p__** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 6:18 pm

I just saw the updated website, Dr AQ!

There are some good points and some not-so-good in my opinion.

It is good that there is at least some more info about the product, however it needs *much* more detail to be of any value. More of the technical stuff behind what it actually does would be great. You could put it on the "science" page if you don't want to make the product page to complicated.

Regarding the photos, it is obvious you put some effort into them. Please allow me to play the devils advocate for a while. You definitely need to publish pictures of more than one person. Maybe they are on their way? Right now there are only photos of one person (week 0, 3, 5, 8, 12, 15) and there are definitely some things which leave a lot to be desired. Especially in the first two photos, his head is tilted very differently than in the other photos. He is acutally pressing his nose (!) against the front headrest in them. In later photos he is pressing his forehead against it instead, which seems more correct, even though the first two are actually better for us, since it gives us a chance to see exactly how his head is tilted. For instance, in week 5 I can see his eyebrows, but in week 8 his head appears to be tilted further forward, so that the eyebrows dissappear from view. It is very difficult to tell if he has tilted his head in the photos between week 8, 12 and 15. Whichever you chose, consistency is key!

To make it possible for us to determine that the results are real, you should also make the photos available in high resolution. That way, we have a better chance to tell if the perceived increase in coverage is due to longer hair or actual regrowth and also to determine head rotation angles (given that there are spots/marks on the head that can be used as reference). You must understand that we are swamped by fake photos all the time and we need as much detail as possible to assess them (please don't be offended). A sceptic could easily make the argument that the subject is merely tilting his head more and more forward for each photo, thus creating the illusion of regrowth. Please note I'm not saying that is the case, just that it would be pretty hard to disprove that claim.

Doing hair loss photos is really difficult, I know!

p__ · Post by **p__** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 6:33 pm

Ah! Naturally, you guys beat me to it! I see you already posted some of my points while I was editing

So to those who don't think this product will work - don't post in this thread anymore

SW2, I don't agree with you! I'm with bug on that one! I don't think we should limit critique or scrutiny at all, as long as it is civil, to the point and respectful. Review and objective evaluation is part of science, as is challenging claims. Poeple posting insults and unwarranted accusations should naturally be excluded from discussion. I'm sure that Bug did not mean to make an accusation, he was merely trying to make a point. He chose to do so in a way which could possibly be perceived as such, but I'm sure that he did not mean to come across that way. If we ask him, I'm sure he'll acknowledge that.

bug · Post by **bug** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:12 pm

Thanks p

Ill let my posts speak for themselves

Now just to show that Im not all gloom...I just took a look at the new skin product before and after photos and I have to say WOW!! Those are the most impressive results I have ever seen after just one or two weeks. Id seriously consider buying the skin cream.

I'd still like to know what is in the hair serum...I hope the growth factors dont include tgf-beta and il-6,8 ...great for skin bad for hair. KGF and WNT would be cool..but we'll see.

bug

hulihoop · Post by **hulihoop** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:18 pm

Well I can't add anything to what you guys have said about the photos in terms of how they could be better or how they are inconsistent. From a positive perspective a) they are definitely the same guy, b) to me show definite regrowth along the hairline/temples, c) some regrowth on the top. Hair is longer I guess because hair grows in 15 weeks. I am sure this guy didn't want to keep cutting his hair to bring it back to baseline length once he started to see it growing

I guess the other positive thing is that this only represents 15 weeks which is ridiculously short in this game. The initial regrowth on the hairline was visible in half that time which really is amazing.

I am a little disappointed that his crown didn't start to fill in, however lets face it, the guy was pretty much a cue ball to start with. Those crown follicles were probably long dead and Dr. AQ did say that this product isn't going to do anything to change that.

I agree it would be great to see more pics and get more info. Hopefully more to come. However I can see a diffuse thinner with quite recent hair loss filling in better than this guy did. And if it stops hair loss in its tracks (hard to take a photo of that) that alone would be worth the money. That's what I'll hope for when I try it.

Bug if you weren't implying scam then I retract that post.

Dr.AQ · Post by **Dr.AQ** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:19 pm

Greetings everyone..
Thank you guys for the support and the understanding. As some of you noticed, the website is partially completed and some of the pictures are up. There will be another update before launch.
We are entering finals week at the university, please forgive my delayed response to your questions.
Before answering questions, I would like to shed light on the A&G and Invitrx relationship. Dr. Maguire and I were associated with Invitrx before starting A&G Skin Solutions Inc. While the technology seem similar between us and others (Skin Medica, neocutis and revive) each one of us produce and process it differently. In addition, the concentrations of the active ingredients as well as the purity level between the other products contribute greatly to their effectiveness. At A&G we believe our technology is more advanced than the others making our products superior. We do provide private labeling for different companies, especially overseas. I think I mentioned this in one of my posts (Hair complex in asia has different name). A&G have been in the market for 18 months and our products have been reviewed, tested and featured on radio shows. We are not a scam or crocks. If we don't share information to protect out business and intellectual properties, that does not make us crocks. We are honest hard working people with families and friends, just like you. Again thank you guys for the kind emails and all the support. Production is on time and we are on schedule. $\:D/$

Dutchhairloss : I rather not discuss other companies. Again, Dr. Maguire and I have no association with skin medica at all. We believe that A&G Hair complex will help improve your scalp and the regrowth of hair. we will provide all the results we can to help you make a better decision. Its not a good idea to show pictures of before and after of the company's founders. I think people here will eat me alive

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Astro_boy : Yes, always wash hair and scalp before applying the complex.

Richie : yes, you can continue using other products in conjunction with A&G Complex.

Ok, lets talk about the pictures: Many will notice the head tilting and angles are different and I know I will be receiving emails about it all week. But before emailing me, please keep this in mind. When we started the treatments, we expected the hair to grow on the front area (major hair loss), thus we focus on the front aspect of the head. As time passes, we noticed more growth on the top and sides of the head, thus we adjusted the head angle. One limitation of the Visia machine http://www.canfieldsci.com/Imaging_Products_Visia.asp (please see picture of the machine) is its size. Placing the entire head inside and maintaining the exact angle is impossible especially when there is a an average period of 2 weeks between the shots. We will have more pictures and also pictures from people like you who won't mind sharing their experience with us. We used these pictures because he displayed 6-7 norwood scale and many can relate to him. He is not the best results we had but for sure, the most cooperative and understanding trialist in the study (Thank You Mr.A). We did ask Mr. A to trim his hair and he did, but part of the study also to measure hair thickness and maximum hair length. to determine, if hair growth will continue after stopping the treatment.
P__ : do you remember the promise you made me

?

Thank you guys..

bug · Post by **bug** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:26 pm

http://www.agskinsolutions.com/testimonials.html

Honestly impressive.

bug

astro_boy · Post by **astro_boy** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:27 pm

So Dr. AQ, there will be more photos for trialists for certain? Many of us are not NW 6 or 7 and are looking for something we can possibly better relate to. The more photos the better...

bug · Post by **bug** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:30 pm

astroboy Im counting on seeing your photos

astro_boy · Post by **astro_boy** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:53 pm

haha.. we'll I'll do my best to document. The treatment *sounds like it would be right up my alley. I'm a thinner with a lot of miniaturized hairs, my hair is black and my skin is pretty fair so I can still see the little buggers if I look hard.. just have to wake them up. No real bald spots yet but some thin ones so I think I have some pretty good blood flow in the scalp still. I'm also not on and have never been on any other topicals.

Though I know treatment works differently for everyone and I appreciate Mr. A's cooperation, but I wouldn't mind having something to compare myself to first.

p__ · Post by **p__** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:53 pm

Dr.AQ wrote:P__ : do you remember the promise you made me ?

I sure do!

I look forward to the rest of the photos and hopefully I can make good on that promise then!

Do you plan to make any high resolution pictures available?

This set of pictures suffers too much from the tilting problem for me to be really make a conclusive judgement in terms of results. I'm hard to please, I know

Someone commented on another site that the brightness is possibly different too. They even posted some adjusted photos. One way to address that problem for you is to include a color bar or color cards (sometimes used for color calibration) somewhere in future photos. The color card provides a permanent color reference between photos and simply consists of a small card with some clear, usually well defined, colors. That would make it possible to adjust the photos to the exact same color/brightness since the colors on the cards should be the same in all photos.

In the meantime, here is some feedback regarding the new site (I realize it's not done yet):

The photos flash by rather quickly, maybe a few seconds more would be better? It would be perfect if you could add buttons to pause, go to next/previous image etc. Most importantly, you should make them clickable to show larger images. Right now, they are so small, almost like thumbnails. I think that would be beneficial for the photos for your other products as well (skin serum etc).

Once again, thanks for your hard work!

perga · Post by **perga** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:59 pm

Thanks very much for the update Dr. AQ.

This is honestly about what I expected from someone NW6-7, I just don't see ANYTHING short of hair multiplication (Aderans or Follica) that is going to grow hair back in the areas of most loss in that situation (based on current technology that is). I DO see regrowth around the edges where the hair was just thinning however.

I am still very much looking forward to seeing the results on someone with more recent hair loss, and thank you for keeping your word about the website being updated this weekend!

perga · Post by **perga** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 8:02 pm

Bug, in the skim serum photo with the woman and a nose sore, what is going on with the jaw? There are obvious lines (almost look like scars) on all the before pictures and none on the afters? Is that the skim serum working or ... ? If so they is pretty damned impressive.

Her skin also looks substantially healthier, or perhaps she just got a tan or something.

redbird · Post by **redbird** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 8:14 pm

Dr AQ,

Did the guy in the pictures that are up on your website use lasers as well? I assume so. Just wondering.

bug · Post by **bug** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 9:09 pm

Perga yeah now Im starting to wonder. They just seem too good to be true. I wonder if laser resurfacing was done.

Dr AQ could you answer that? In your new before and after photos for the skin serum, was laser resurfacing done on any of the patients in addition to using the serum?

Also Dr AQ.....Its diffult to ask questions without details on the hair serum but ill ask one made on an assumption...

If you hair serum contains various growth factors like your skin serum does(I hope different ones), arent the molecular weights way too high for penetration through the stratum corneum? It is my understanding that anything over 400-800 daltons is too large. Some of these growth factors such as tgf-beta and KGF are 25 000 daltons. In a word they are huge. I believe this is why companies like Histogen are injecting their soultions containg WNTS and KGF.

Thanks
bug

cld517 · Post by **cld517** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 10:38 pm

i can see what everybody is talking about with the head tilting, but i believe the results are still quite obvious..i also agree that more pics are amust, slow them down, size seems fine to me

cld517 · Post by **cld517** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 10:57 pm

Dr. AQ,
has the man in the pictures continued to make improvements, has he used the product for more than just the study and also did he use lasers? thank you