Vitamin E may reverse male pattern baldness: Study
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What if all 4 are needed? lol
This http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU355/I ... 4294967187 is the closest thing I can find to the NSI ones. They actually contain 15mg extra but it's over $9 more per bottle. What is CQ10? I noticed that's added in.
You say this was on sale before? What was the discounted price? I may wait for it to go on sale again and buy it.
This http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU355/I ... 4294967187 is the closest thing I can find to the NSI ones. They actually contain 15mg extra but it's over $9 more per bottle. What is CQ10? I noticed that's added in.
You say this was on sale before? What was the discounted price? I may wait for it to go on sale again and buy it.
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Ha...it seems their research makes the 2 ok..but of course none of it was on hair. Maybe I'll show 'em this thread and see what they say.
Info on CoQ10: http://www.epic4health.com/whatiscoq10.html
You may have seen that CoQ10 ingredient that's for topical use..for hair loss.
I do not recall what the discounted price was. It's possible it was one of the other products too. Best thing to do is get on their mailing list(sometimes they offer 10...20% off..etc). Check their homepage and click on "On Sale Now!" and "Swanson Outlet Mall" from time to time.
Info on CoQ10: http://www.epic4health.com/whatiscoq10.html
You may have seen that CoQ10 ingredient that's for topical use..for hair loss.
I do not recall what the discounted price was. It's possible it was one of the other products too. Best thing to do is get on their mailing list(sometimes they offer 10...20% off..etc). Check their homepage and click on "On Sale Now!" and "Swanson Outlet Mall" from time to time.
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What CoQ10 for hairloss... Mibelle?
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Yepchore boy wrote:What CoQ10 for hairloss... Mibelle?
I wish Lamas would have put that in their product..as long as their using Mibelle's Phytocelltec. I did ask them if they could [-o<
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Didn't a bunch of people here buy some Swanson toco's? What price did those who purchase pay?
I spoke to an employee at Swanson via live chat. She tells me $22 is the sale price, and will last till December which is odd because that particular supplement is not in the sale section, nor does it have any mention of a sale price in the description.
CoQ10 for hair loss? it seems just about anything can be used to treat hair loss... why haven't we found a product that works effective for most people?!
I spoke to an employee at Swanson via live chat. She tells me $22 is the sale price, and will last till December which is odd because that particular supplement is not in the sale section, nor does it have any mention of a sale price in the description.
CoQ10 for hair loss? it seems just about anything can be used to treat hair loss... why haven't we found a product that works effective for most people?!
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The Swanson product is buy 1 get 1 free at the moment: http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU156/ItemDetail
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.....Is that a one-a-day dosage for those (the 2for 1 swansons)Jacob?
.....And is this a heat sensitive item, say up to 140 degrees?
.....And is this a heat sensitive item, say up to 140 degrees?
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I would regard the item above useless to me.Jacob wrote:The Swanson product is buy 1 get 1 free at the moment: http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU156/ItemDetail
I want to see if there is any truth in those tocotrienol hair loss studies and we've been told alpha-tocopherol reduced the effects of tocotrienol. Since the product above has more alpha-tocopherol than the total amount of all 4 tocotrienols, that's not good is it? Maybe taking tocopherol alone would be beneficial to your health but there is no study to suggest they would help with hair and that Swanson product has tocopherol combined with the tocotrienols at much higher dosages.
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on the last part. You'd have to ask them.glaxom wrote:.....Is that a one-a-day dosage for those (the 2for 1 swansons)Jacob?
.....And is this a heat sensitive item, say up to 140 degrees?
It says 1-2 per day. I guess one in the morning and one towards the evening would be best...?
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I would say it's better than taking just tocopherols. But again..for me...I'd prefer to take them separately. There are some tocopherols in that "krill oil substitute" I posted about and am taking. So I just need to settle on a tocotrienol product.goten574 wrote:I would regard the item above useless to me.Jacob wrote:The Swanson product is buy 1 get 1 free at the moment: http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU156/ItemDetail
I want to see if there is any truth in those tocotrienol hair loss studies and we've been told alpha-tocopherol reduced the effects of tocotrienol. Since the product above has more alpha-tocopherol than the total amount of all 4 tocotrienols, that's not good is it? Maybe taking tocopherol alone would be beneficial to your health but there is no study to suggest they would help with hair and that Swanson product has tocopherol combined with the tocotrienols at much higher dosages.
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I've been taking these: http://www.allstarhealth.com/f/jarrow-toco-sorb.htmgoten574 wrote:This http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU355/I ... 4294967187 is the closest thing I can find to the NSI ones.
They're based on the "SupraBio" formula, same as with the NSI ones (and same as the ones used in the study referenced in the first post).
I've been taking two of these Toco-Sorb per day, along with the following:
Lysine 1000 mg
Biotin 7500 mcg
Fish Oil 1000 mg
Standard Multivitamin (Centrum)
What has happened so far is that, for the first time in two years, I've effectively stopped shedding. Maybe I notice 10-15 shed hairs a day, but this is a wild change from the 100 or so I had noticed before I started taking this vitamin cocktail every night. Also, in the past week I've noticed a couple new hairs on my crown, but I've definitely not had any sort of significant regrowth. It's still early days though, and I'm very hopeful.
Interestingly, this guy also tried tocotrienols and had a reduction in shedding but did not have any regrowth. He only went for two months though, a mark that I'm close to myself. I bought a six-month supply of all these vitamins, so we'll see what happens in the next four months!
edit: Also, hey guys! Long time lurker, first time poster. I started taking tocotrienols because of this thread.
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himinal...welcome to the forum
I know others have taken that particular product as well..don't recall seeing how things are going though.
I know others have taken that particular product as well..don't recall seeing how things are going though.
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Some others....some can be found elsewhere..cheaper, I suppose..
Plain tocotrienols(at least I think they all are..and I didn't say all 4 toco's ):
http://www.virnutrition.com/annatto-e-deltagold.html
https://www.advocare.com/08093930/Store ... &id=search
VRP sometimes has discounts via their e-newsletter. You also get a coupon when you first get their catalog..I forget how much off.
http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=3090&zType=1
http://www.vitadigest.com/nc-tocotrienols-75.html
http://www.iherb.com/Twinlab-MaxiLife-R ... /4384?at=0
Edit..the Twinlab MaxiLife right above says d-alpha-tocopherol in "other ingredients".
Mixtures:
http://www.stopagingnow.com/YET/Vitamin ... soo-Health
http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=3101&zType=1 (compare to Vitacost..not cheaper. And I'm assuming the Vitacost product isn't even wanted anymore due to it containing tocopherols??)
http://www.vitacost.com/NSI-Tocotrienols-Nutriene
https://www.prohealth.com/shop/product. ... abel#title
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Some good pdf's on tocotrienols on the left-hand side: http://www.davoslife.com/productsandservices.htm
Plain tocotrienols(at least I think they all are..and I didn't say all 4 toco's ):
http://www.virnutrition.com/annatto-e-deltagold.html
https://www.advocare.com/08093930/Store ... &id=search
VRP sometimes has discounts via their e-newsletter. You also get a coupon when you first get their catalog..I forget how much off.
http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=3090&zType=1
http://www.vitadigest.com/nc-tocotrienols-75.html
http://www.iherb.com/Twinlab-MaxiLife-R ... /4384?at=0
Edit..the Twinlab MaxiLife right above says d-alpha-tocopherol in "other ingredients".
Mixtures:
http://www.stopagingnow.com/YET/Vitamin ... soo-Health
http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=3101&zType=1 (compare to Vitacost..not cheaper. And I'm assuming the Vitacost product isn't even wanted anymore due to it containing tocopherols??)
http://www.vitacost.com/NSI-Tocotrienols-Nutriene
https://www.prohealth.com/shop/product. ... abel#title
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Some good pdf's on tocotrienols on the left-hand side: http://www.davoslife.com/productsandservices.htm
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Good list there Jacob, at least 2 there I consider good but I decided to buy them from Swanson as well as a years supply of MSM (it was cheap and on a buy one get one free offer so I purchased it)
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU355/ItemDetail
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU112/ItemDetail
Question though, won't the MSM just thicken up the non MPB hair? Or will it have a chance to thicken up all hair?
I used the discount code 1PENNY to get $0.01 shipping and 10% off everything which is pretty good BUT because I'm in the UK, they are trying to charge me additional fee of $22 shipping!!! argh
I went with the Swanson toco brand instead of the cheaper Tocosorb because the Swanson has elcosapentaenoic acid (Omega 3 I gather???), CoQ10 (think that's the correct term) and has overall 15mg more tocotrienols per capsule. I ordered 7 bottles so that's 420 caps to consume in a 9-12 month peroid. I would ideally like to take 2 a day for a whole year but it's just too expensive. What I will do is most days just take 1 capsule, but every now and then, I will take 2 capsules for that day. I will consume sesame seeds which I already take for general health anyway.
Total order came to $185.... OUCH!
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU355/ItemDetail
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU112/ItemDetail
Question though, won't the MSM just thicken up the non MPB hair? Or will it have a chance to thicken up all hair?
I used the discount code 1PENNY to get $0.01 shipping and 10% off everything which is pretty good BUT because I'm in the UK, they are trying to charge me additional fee of $22 shipping!!! argh
I went with the Swanson toco brand instead of the cheaper Tocosorb because the Swanson has elcosapentaenoic acid (Omega 3 I gather???), CoQ10 (think that's the correct term) and has overall 15mg more tocotrienols per capsule. I ordered 7 bottles so that's 420 caps to consume in a 9-12 month peroid. I would ideally like to take 2 a day for a whole year but it's just too expensive. What I will do is most days just take 1 capsule, but every now and then, I will take 2 capsules for that day. I will consume sesame seeds which I already take for general health anyway.
Total order came to $185.... OUCH!
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I think things like MSM and JarroSil..etc..can help all hair. I have a feeling they'll do more for hair than krill oil...and I'm a big fan of krill oil...or ____________.
That Swanson combo is probably what I'll go with if it ever goes on sale. I think I'll try the ACGrace product for now...just take one with the evening meal, as they suggest. There's something about taking them in the evening...
BTW.. Sytrinol contains the tocotrienols..which I see are from Tocomin..which means the tocopherols are also probably in it again:
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU378/ItemDetail
"Finally, we complete this formula with Sytrinol, an innovative, patented blend of MPFs (a specific type of flavonoid) from citrus fruits and tocotrienol fractions from palm oil."
That Swanson combo is probably what I'll go with if it ever goes on sale. I think I'll try the ACGrace product for now...just take one with the evening meal, as they suggest. There's something about taking them in the evening...
BTW.. Sytrinol contains the tocotrienols..which I see are from Tocomin..which means the tocopherols are also probably in it again:
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU378/ItemDetail
"Finally, we complete this formula with Sytrinol, an innovative, patented blend of MPFs (a specific type of flavonoid) from citrus fruits and tocotrienol fractions from palm oil."
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What do you guys think Toco's M.O. is? Antioxidant?
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The product in that link is interesting, I wish they were more specific on the ingredients though.Jacob wrote:I think things like MSM and JarroSil..etc..can help all hair. I have a feeling they'll do more for hair than krill oil...and I'm a big fan of krill oil...or ____________.
That Swanson combo is probably what I'll go with if it ever goes on sale. I think I'll try the ACGrace product for now...just take one with the evening meal, as they suggest. There's something about taking them in the evening...
BTW.. Sytrinol contains the tocotrienols..which I see are from Tocomin..which means the tocopherols are also probably in it again:
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU378/ItemDetail
"Finally, we complete this formula with Sytrinol, an innovative, patented blend of MPFs (a specific type of flavonoid) from citrus fruits and tocotrienol fractions from palm oil."
The Swanson Toco I purchased, their system is suppose to limit this item to 3 bottles per order and if you wish to purchase more, you would have to place multiple orders and pay multiple shipping charges. When I ordered however, I had 7 bottles in my cart (the system was not suppose to allow me to do this). When speaking to a Swanson employee on live chat she says because their system allowed me to do this at the time I placed my order, they will remove the 3 bottle restriction on my order. The employee also said the $22 price is a sale price, and the normal price for the toco's is $35. I also got 10% discount (so toco's were $20 per bottle, instead of $22) and used a $5 off voucher code.
What is the talk about taking supplements with an evening meal?
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For hair you mean? Wonder if it's the metabolic syndrome/insulin resistance connection.chore boy wrote:What do you guys think Toco's M.O. is? Antioxidant?
Those pdf's on that one page show the benefits for overall health.
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Do you mean the MSM was limited to 3 bottles? Or did you end up getting the expensive mixed toco's for buy one get one? The one I'm looking at using eventually contains the EPA and COq10.goten574 wrote:
The product in that link is interesting, I wish they were more specific on the ingredients though.
The Swanson Toco I purchased, their system is suppose to limit this item to 3 bottles per order and if you wish to purchase more, you would have to place multiple orders and pay multiple shipping charges. When I ordered however, I had 7 bottles in my cart (the system was not suppose to allow me to do this). When speaking to a Swanson employee on live chat she says because their system allowed me to do this at the time I placed my order, they will remove the 3 bottle restriction on my order. The employee also said the $22 price is a sale price, and the normal price for the toco's is $35. I also got 10% discount (so toco's were $20 per bottle, instead of $22) and used a $5 off voucher code.
What is the talk about taking supplements with an evening meal?
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Jacob, I will quote what I said, the first line answers what I was referring to about the 3 bottle limit:Jacob wrote:Do you mean the MSM was limited to 3 bottles? Or did you end up getting the expensive mixed toco's for buy one get one? The one I'm looking at using eventually contains the EPA and COq10.goten574 wrote:
The product in that link is interesting, I wish they were more specific on the ingredients though.
The Swanson Toco I purchased, their system is suppose to limit this item to 3 bottles per order and if you wish to purchase more, you would have to place multiple orders and pay multiple shipping charges. When I ordered however, I had 7 bottles in my cart (the system was not suppose to allow me to do this). When speaking to a Swanson employee on live chat she says because their system allowed me to do this at the time I placed my order, they will remove the 3 bottle restriction on my order. The employee also said the $22 price is a sale price, and the normal price for the toco's is $35. I also got 10% discount (so toco's were $20 per bottle, instead of $22) and used a $5 off voucher code.
What is the talk about taking supplements with an evening meal?
I could purchase as many MSM bottles I wanted without being restricted, and only the MSM bottles were buy one get one free. The tocos were on a sale price of $22 each (normal price $35) and I purchased 7 bottles >> http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU355/ItemDetail If it wasn't for the error in their system, I would have only been allowed to order just 3 bottles of tocos.. anymore and I would have had to place a 2nd and 3rd order with multiple shipping charges applied.The Swanson Toco I purchased, their system is suppose to limit this item to 3 bottles per order
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Ok..what had me confused is that when I go to that link it says nothing about a limit..put 15 in the cart and had no problem. I've only seen that with the buy 1 get 1 deal.
BTW..was it this price when I originally posted it? I mentioned in that post that I thought it had been on sale before I do now see it in the sale section. I swear those guys read these forums or just check where ppl are clicking on links to them. The expensive combo wasn't on sale when I first posted it..now it's buy 1 get 1- what I said I wanted to wait for before I ordered! But now I just want the tocotrienols
You must be glad Vitacost sucks. Because that product did have Tocopherols in it.
This one isn't too bad..still has the tocopherols..has those sesame lignans too: http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements ... gnans.html
BTW..was it this price when I originally posted it? I mentioned in that post that I thought it had been on sale before I do now see it in the sale section. I swear those guys read these forums or just check where ppl are clicking on links to them. The expensive combo wasn't on sale when I first posted it..now it's buy 1 get 1- what I said I wanted to wait for before I ordered! But now I just want the tocotrienols
You must be glad Vitacost sucks. Because that product did have Tocopherols in it.
This one isn't too bad..still has the tocopherols..has those sesame lignans too: http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements ... gnans.html
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Toco's with Sesame Lignans sound good but I have 3, 500g bags of Sesame Seeds sitting in my bedroom which I will take a spoonful of just before each capsule. Yes, I am pretty glad I didn't get the Vitacost one, but the Vitacost one had 75mcg of Mixed carotenoid complex (not sure what exactly this is but the Swanson one didn't have it). I hate spending money but I hardly spend anything on new products for hair loss, I just want to experiment.
Two days ago, the Swanson Toco product (http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU355/ItemDetail) had the words "limited to 3 per order". The day I ordered, this was removed (due to a system glitch) and it appears this glitch has not been fixed at the moment, so people are able to purchase as many as they want in one order. I wish the Swanson Toco supplement I purchased was on buy one get one free offer... it would have saved me a huge amount of money. If the MSM wasn't on buy one get one free offer, I wouldn't have purchased it.
When I first saw that particular Swanson Toco product, I'm sure it was in the high $30's - low $40's but I'm not 100% sure.
Two days ago, the Swanson Toco product (http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU355/ItemDetail) had the words "limited to 3 per order". The day I ordered, this was removed (due to a system glitch) and it appears this glitch has not been fixed at the moment, so people are able to purchase as many as they want in one order. I wish the Swanson Toco supplement I purchased was on buy one get one free offer... it would have saved me a huge amount of money. If the MSM wasn't on buy one get one free offer, I wouldn't have purchased it.
When I first saw that particular Swanson Toco product, I'm sure it was in the high $30's - low $40's but I'm not 100% sure.
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I'm going to go ahead and order some too..as long as it's on sale. Not going to hold my breath for the 2 for 1
Some articles by Dr. Mercola on Vit E. On the select few who should be careful with Vit E: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... three.aspx
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... ancer.aspx
Some info on why products like ACGrace's(the 2 tocotrienols) look good(as well as I guess why some of those containing all 4..like the Swanson one): http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... ancer.aspx
Good info at that last link on Vit E and metabolic syndrome..etc.
On taking them in the evening..from ACGrace:
I know there are other "rice solubles" products out there. Risotriene..Nutracea..etc. Seems they contain the tocopherols too.
Some articles by Dr. Mercola on Vit E. On the select few who should be careful with Vit E: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... three.aspx
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... ancer.aspx
Some info on why products like ACGrace's(the 2 tocotrienols) look good(as well as I guess why some of those containing all 4..like the Swanson one): http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... ancer.aspx
http://www.mossnutrition.com/products/a ... dgetID=227However, while studying all eight forms of vitamin E, Japanese researchers found two kinds of tocotrienols (alpha and delta) were responsible for inhibiting DNA polymerase, an enzyme present in DNA replication, while tocopherols had no effect at all.
Scientists also discovered that tocotrienols had the same dampening effect on the spread of cancer cells. That, coupled with their ability to slow down angiogenesis (the growth of new blood vessels), hinders the spread of cancer to other parts of the body too.
http://www.americanrivernutrition.com/d ... facts.php4It typically contains 90% delta-tocotrienol and 10% gamma-tocotrienol. These two tocotrienols have been proven in studies to be the two most potent, whereas alpha-tocotrienol is five-fold less potent. This unique make-up is not found in rice bran or palm oil sourced tocotrienols.
Other forms of vitamin E (all four tocopherols and alpha- and beta-tocotrienols) do not degrade, downregulate, nor block SREBP processing3. Delta-tocotrienol was also found to have the greatest antioxidant properties among the tocotrienol isomers4, which is due to the decreased methylation on the chromanol ring that allows the molecule to be more easily incorporated into cell membranes5. A comparative in vitro study showed that gamma- and delta-tocotrienol was 4-fold more efficient as scavenger of peroxyl radicals than other tocotrienol isomers6.
Good info at that last link on Vit E and metabolic syndrome..etc.
On taking them in the evening..from ACGrace:
I can't get the specifications to load up on this one: http://www.sunfood.com/buy/1/73/538/Toc ... /0576.aspxHealth professionals recommend taking tocotrienols with the evening meal.
I know there are other "rice solubles" products out there. Risotriene..Nutracea..etc. Seems they contain the tocopherols too.
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Good links jacob, interesting read. So you're going to order the ACGrace or the Swanson one I got?
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For sure the Swanson one. May use the ACGrace for a couple of months first though. I do take another forum of COq10 these days already..but more Qgel can't hurt.
Here's another powder product: http://www.easycart.net/BeyondACenturyI ... .html#2125
Here's another powder product: http://www.easycart.net/BeyondACenturyI ... .html#2125
I'm not crazy about this or Toco-8 not being in capsules or gelcaps. From the above manufacturers website:TOCOTRIENOLS 7.5% beadlets from preferred palm oil source. 667mg contains 50mg complex, including 22mg gamma, 5mg delta, and 12mg alpha tocotrienols, and 12mg d-alpha tocopherol (vit E), along with naturally occurring squalene, phytosterols, carotenoids and a bit of CoQ10. Almost all tocotrienol studies used palm source. These relatives of vit E support blood function and healthy total and LDL cholesterol levels. Tocotrienols easily cross blood-brain barrier helping to protect neurons, inhibiting glutamate-induced cell damage and have synergistic antioxidant effect with tocopherols (vit E).** Take with *115 Gamma E for full-spectrum vit. E antioxidant protection, however, Vit E can interfere with tocotrienol’s ability to help cholesterol. For extra cholesterol benefit, take with guggul, phytosterols, and/or policosanol. Tocotrienols are also synergistic with supplements that help balance estrogen levels. 50 grams, $15.50. Code 212.5
TOCOBEADS® 7.5% is physically and chemically stable. It has a shelf life of 24 months and is recommended that the bulk containers be stored at
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Ok Jacob, I really doubt this will help with hair but then again, I cannot ignore those studies, we will have to wait and see but I'm setting myself up for a fall.
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With internals, especially with something like this..I look at the other benefits of the product..and if there's any hair-growing "side-effects"..that'll be a plusgoten574 wrote:Ok Jacob, I really doubt this will help with hair but then again, I cannot ignore those studies, we will have to wait and see but I'm setting myself up for a fall.
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Yes other benefits are good, but I didn't pay this money for those other benefits, my only purpose is for my hair. Once I've used all my capsules up, if I see no results, I will probably never buy again, it's just too expensive.Jacob wrote:With internals, especially with something like this..I look at the other benefits of the product..and if there's any hair-growing "side-effects"..that'll be a plusgoten574 wrote:Ok Jacob, I really doubt this will help with hair but then again, I cannot ignore those studies, we will have to wait and see but I'm setting myself up for a fall.
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so this swanson one is the deal? my NSI ones are running out need to get some. but why do this look like so expensive? i think the same price as nsi but for 60 instead of 120?
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The one we're talking about getting also contains COq10 and EPA..so that's one of the reasons why it's more expensive.
I've ordered the ACGrace product..so will be starting with that- probably end up using that for 4+ months first. Will also be taking a tocopherol-containing product.
I've ordered the ACGrace product..so will be starting with that- probably end up using that for 4+ months first. Will also be taking a tocopherol-containing product.
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i see. yea actually i did noticed the extra stuff in there. i'll stick to my decision for now thanks for info
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Re: Vitamin E may reverse male pattern baldness: Study
FYI: you can get Vitamin E oil pretty cheap just about anywhere to use as a topical and it's probably just as good. Target carries it in the US.
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I found it is always much cheaper to buy Vitamin E from local store than online store
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I'd be worried about the quality(on the topical oil)..or the tocotrienol content.
And I'm not sure I've seen plain tocotrienol products in the stores around here.
And I'm not sure I've seen plain tocotrienol products in the stores around here.
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Hello guys,
Just to let you know that as of today I will start with this Swanson product: http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU355/ItemDetail with Tocotrienol.
I will take two caps a day during the week days and 1 per day for the weekend. I will keep you updated with my progress if there is any.
I have a question for you. Has someone of you ever taken beta sitosterol for longer periods. If so, have you experienced any side effects from long term use.
I am intending to add it to my regimen but am still considering it because I had to drop finasteride 6 months ago due to super aggressive sides.
If I have side from fin does it mean that the probabity of developing sides from beta sitosterol is high.
p.s.
At the end I would like to add that I am in week 10 after using the A&G Haircomplex and honestly my hair hair at the moment is worse than ever. Not that I lost ground but also my hair is progressing and getting white.
Just to let you know that as of today I will start with this Swanson product: http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU355/ItemDetail with Tocotrienol.
I will take two caps a day during the week days and 1 per day for the weekend. I will keep you updated with my progress if there is any.
I have a question for you. Has someone of you ever taken beta sitosterol for longer periods. If so, have you experienced any side effects from long term use.
I am intending to add it to my regimen but am still considering it because I had to drop finasteride 6 months ago due to super aggressive sides.
If I have side from fin does it mean that the probabity of developing sides from beta sitosterol is high.
p.s.
At the end I would like to add that I am in week 10 after using the A&G Haircomplex and honestly my hair hair at the moment is worse than ever. Not that I lost ground but also my hair is progressing and getting white.
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Got a shocking letter from FedEx a few days ago demanding I pay £44 duty/VAT charges on top of the over £100 I already spent on the vitamins with postage. Sigh, stupid customs. What's worse is, Swanson included the original invoice with the package (which is the wrong amount due to a system error). I now have to contact FedEX and sort this mess out.
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Your luck sucks Hopefully they'll get things cleared up quick.
Started the ACGrace product about a week ago..for the record.
Started the ACGrace product about a week ago..for the record.
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Hello Jacob,
Have you experienced any negative side effects from taking beta sitosterol if you have ever taken it?
If you do not have personal experience, have you read any comments or studirs that it has similar side effects as finasteride?
I am trying to add it to my regimen but am a little bit scared because I had terrible sides from finasteride and do not want to go over this nightmare again.
Thank you in advance.
Have you experienced any negative side effects from taking beta sitosterol if you have ever taken it?
If you do not have personal experience, have you read any comments or studirs that it has similar side effects as finasteride?
I am trying to add it to my regimen but am a little bit scared because I had terrible sides from finasteride and do not want to go over this nightmare again.
Thank you in advance.
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Re: Vitamin E may reverse male pattern baldness: Study
It's not something I've taken by itself in high doses..but it's probably been in various things I've taken over the years. I have read of side effects from it..in fact I could swear it's one of those things that ImmortalHair used to take/recommend but he scrapped it due to complaints.
Now that doesn't mean you'll have the same problems as you did with Fin..but I'd take it easy with it if you do try it.
Now that doesn't mean you'll have the same problems as you did with Fin..but I'd take it easy with it if you do try it.
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At 10.5 weeks now. Shedding is still way down, and I'm beginning to see some new hairs on my crown -- maybe 20 or so total that I can see. I might have new hairs elsewhere, but my crown is in rough enough shape that it's easy to see the improvement. Still nothing earth-shattering, but after years of loss, it's really a sea change to have some sort of stabilization.
I have noticed that shortly after I take the vitamins, I get a minor headache that lasts for a half hour or so. I've started taking all the vitamins right before I go to bed in order to sleep through that. I don't know if it's the tocotrienols, biotin, lysine, or fish oil that's giving me a headache.
I have noticed that shortly after I take the vitamins, I get a minor headache that lasts for a half hour or so. I've started taking all the vitamins right before I go to bed in order to sleep through that. I don't know if it's the tocotrienols, biotin, lysine, or fish oil that's giving me a headache.
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It may not hurt to try because not everyone gets side effects from saw palmetto. Unfortunately I did. Very similar to finasteride. Very moody, depressed, horrible dreams, and pain in the testicles. Good thing is that most of it cleared away in few days.chain wrote: Have you experienced any negative side effects from taking beta sitosterol if you have ever taken it?
If you do not have personal experience, have you read any comments or studirs that it has similar side effects as finasteride?
I am trying to add it to my regimen but am a little bit scared because I had terrible sides from finasteride and do not want to go over this nightmare again.
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Probably the fish oil - it has a vasodilatory effect.himinal wrote:I don't know if it's the tocotrienols, biotin, lysine, or fish oil that's giving me a headache.
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Approximately 20 days in now, I am taking mainly 2 capsules of 75mg Tocotrienols each day (one in morning, one in evening). I am also taking MSM at the same time (1500mg once or twice a day). Noticing increased body hair (this is very obvious, no doubt in my mind, even my sister mentioned it to me, but at the same time, I also stopped drinking Peppermint/Spearmint tea which is known to reduce body hair in women and I believed reduced my body hair a bit too) Maybe the combination of the two things is causing the increase in body hair?
I am noticing less hairs on my shirt (sometimes only 1 or 2 each day) but still seeing between 5-10 hairs on pillow when I wake up.
I am noticing less hairs on my shirt (sometimes only 1 or 2 each day) but still seeing between 5-10 hairs on pillow when I wake up.
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Re: Vitamin E may reverse male pattern baldness: Study
I realized my shampoo has tocopherol vitamine e in it today it's called nourish and it's from traders joes
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I know it's been in some of the topicals I use..and probably shampoos..would have to look 'em up.
I don't drink 'em though
I don't drink 'em though
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Sorry guys it's not tocotorienal it's tocopherol in my shampoo. I know we are talking about the tocotorienal. Iwould use it topicaly also
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Week 7: Shedding significantly down (from 100 hairs a day to 10-15 hairs a day), no real regrowth
Week 11: Shedding still down (10-15 hairs a day), a couple dozen new hairs on the crown
Week 14: Shedding picks up a little (25-30 hairs a day), additional slight regrowth on crown.
Three and a half months without my hair getting any worse has been pretty great; maybe I'm just in the eye of a hurricane, but it's a nice reprieve. I assume the tocotrienols are playing a part, but for reference here's the complete list of what I've been taking:
Week 11: Shedding still down (10-15 hairs a day), a couple dozen new hairs on the crown
Week 14: Shedding picks up a little (25-30 hairs a day), additional slight regrowth on crown.
Three and a half months without my hair getting any worse has been pretty great; maybe I'm just in the eye of a hurricane, but it's a nice reprieve. I assume the tocotrienols are playing a part, but for reference here's the complete list of what I've been taking:
- 2x "SupraBio" formula tocotrienol supplements
1x Lysine 1000 mg
1x Biotin 7500 mcg
1x Fish Oil 1000 mg
1x Standard Multivitamin (Centrum)
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great to hear, please keep us updated
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Just bought the unique brand from vitamine shoppe 120 mg per a capsule of pure tocotrienol for 40 bucks a bottle so 100 miligram a day is enough right?
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My friend asked me what I use that my hair looks good and I recommended to him dermaheal. You guys my friends too so I recommend it to you guys also.
Rogaine after nourish shampoo(trader joes) in the morning
dermaheal after it's shampoo at night
just started vitamine e tocotrienol today
Rogaine after nourish shampoo(trader joes) in the morning
dermaheal after it's shampoo at night
just started vitamine e tocotrienol today
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