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by Jacob » Sat Jan 08, 2011 3:47 pm
http://www.ehow.com/about_6702492_bovin ... rowth.html
# It's normal to lose 30 to 75 strands of hair daily. Hair should also grow 1/4 to 1/2 inch a month. If your hair loss is more than this or if your hair isn't growing enough, this might be a sign of a health issue or another problem. Hair loss can occur because of a hormone imbalance, a nutrient deficiency, too much or too little protein, substance abuse, lack of sleep, a scalp infection, or hair products with too many chemicals.
Increased Levels of Insulin-Like Growth Factor (IGF-1)
# Bovine colostrum contains many growth factors. A study conducted in Japan at The Department of Translational Medical Science Research at Nagoya City University Graduate School of Medical Sciences on mice reported that insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-1), which bovine colostrum contains, contributed to “significant enhancements of hair follicle morphogenesis, hair regrowth and hair pigmentation.”
More on that here
http://www.carttonic.com/files/file_dow ... fi_id=6407
Posted this years ago at Regrowth: Colostrum Peptides (PRP) Found to Promote Wound Healing and Block Allergic Response
http://www.biopharmasci.com/downloads/PRPwoundheal.pdf
and
http://biopharmasci.com/downloads/NanoP ... eutics.pdf
PRP are natural nano-peptides carefully extracted from colostrum. These delicate molecules are then packaged in BioPharma’s patented SuperSorb® technology to help them survive the harsh environment of the digestive system. These PRP include immune factors thought to balance our immune response and growth factors thought to support repair and regeneration. Gram for gram, NanoProPRP’s colostrum powder has more PRP than any other colostrum supplement, making it the most powerful immune modulator of its kind.): "The richest of all zoonutrients is the “first meal” of all mammals, called colostrum. Colostrum provides a macro and micro nutrient dense “super food”. This “first meal” for all mammals is also rich in antibodies (Ig), cell signaling messengers (cytokines) that modulate the immune system, and growth factors stimulating stem cell activity
Growth factors in colostrum help activate stem cells."
Love that colostrum
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by Jacob » Sat Jan 08, 2011 4:32 pm
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by MG63 » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:11 pm
been on colostrum for years. Fantastic for digestive health, had never considered sprinkling it on my scalp after micro-needling....
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by Jacob » Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:25 pm
Or a liquid?
Synertek liquid is a product of removing all of the fat and casein, leaving the colostral whey fraction. This whey fraction does reduce the amount of IGF 1, but increases the concentration of thymic factions, PRP, and others. The benefit of this is that while colostrum lozenges help normalize, regulate and maintain body function, colostral whey has greater immunomodulatory properties. (First milking colostral whey has great immunomodulatory properties, whereas diluted or multiple milking whey has about 20% of the value of first milking colostral whey.) Immunomodulation properties help in healing or correcting more severe conditions.
http://sunvalleycolostrum.com/usage.php
I took that stuff orally for awhile..they need to flavor it or something
http://www.needs.com/product/Kirkman_Co ... n/?r=K01GB
Many others out there.
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by goten574 » Wed Sep 14, 2011 5:22 pm
Debating whether to buy Symbiotics Colostrum Plus Powder from iHerb. I want to mix it with Aloe Vera AND/OR Coconut Oil as a topical to see if it's growth factors would regrow hair. Zix Creator on regrowth forum said Colostrum's molecule is too large to penetrate the scalp. Does anyone know about this?
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by Jacob » Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:21 pm
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by Jacob » Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:50 pm
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by goten574 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:12 am
Good links Jacob but I am not searching for Colostrum, I already know where I can get it from. I am asking if Colostrum would work topically and penetrate the scalp. If it does, I shall try it as a topical in Aloe Vera and Coconut Oil. If it doesn#t, I won't bother.
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by Jacob » Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:57 am
But those aren't sources for colostrum. Well some have colostrum on it's own..but each link has at least one topical in it. They are colostrum topicals...what you are looking to use. Obviously those companies are saying it does get absorbed in the skin. You have to remember it's not just the skin..it can enter via the follicles..etc. But yeah..you can see how messy or not a homemade deal like what you're talking about would be..but I wouldn't mix up more than what you're going to use at that moment. Unless maybe you refrigerate it. Just don't use the encapsulated versions in a topical.
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by Jacob » Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:50 pm
FWIW:
It is not possible to use colostrum in its raw state due to a high amount of fat, large molecular proteins and other undesirable substances. By way of newly developed, gentle biophysical production methods, fat, casein, albumin and other contaminants are removed.
http://immupure.com/about/case-study/
Btw..why not to use encapsulated:
The advanced BIOlipid system in Colostrum Plus® creates a protective coating around each capsule that helps prohibit stomach acids from destroying the contents. This protective coating helps ensure the maximum amounts of nutrients will be absorbed into the gastrointestinal tract and bloodstream.
I doubt it's going to release the payload in the skin if it can withstand stomach acids
I think I'd rather use nucleotides..if that's possible.
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by goten574 » Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:54 am
The Colostrum wouldn't work topically then? Without a special formula like you posted? I will have to reconsider. I have a guy from the USA who will order items from iHerb and send them to me in the UK. I want to try and keep things to iHerb only if possible. Would you recommend I order one of each of these and add in some coconut and Aloe Vera to make it last longer?
http://sunvalleycolostrum.com/products.htm (First Six Hour Colostrum Skin Cream)
http://www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com/c ... earch.html
I've no idea what nucleotides are...
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by Pete2 » Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:59 am
Copper peptides with some plant extracts.
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by Jacob » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:41 am
goten574 wrote:The Colostrum wouldn't work topically then? Without a special formula like you posted? I will have to reconsider. I have a guy from the USA who will order items from iHerb and send them to me in the UK. I want to try and keep things to iHerb only if possible. Would you recommend I order one of each of these and add in some coconut and Aloe Vera to make it last longer?
http://sunvalleycolostrum.com/products.htm (First Six Hour Colostrum Skin Cream)
http://www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com/c ... earch.html
I've no idea what nucleotides are...
By last longer..do you mean shelf life?
"Raw state"(as in this quote from my previous post..they're talking about topical use: "It is not possible to use colostrum in its raw state due to a high amount of fat") to me means fresh colostrum...maybe even the liquid. But I've sent some emails out to try to get some better answers on this. They're mostly talking about supplement/internal use in this next quote, but then again they do have a liquid that they say can be used topically:
Q: Should the fat be removed?
A: As a general rule, no. The fat contains active components.
“The first way of denaturing colostrum is by taking out the fat.”(Lance S. Wright, M.D.) Some components of colostrum use fat as a vehicle for transportation. Removing the fat eliminates some components and changes the proportions of others. This results in a loss of synergism.
http://www.synertekcolostrum.com/index.php/faqs/
So that's kinda conflicting info there. Take things out and you're messing with the goodies. But they need to be removed in order to use it topically? Keep in mind they're all selling something.
If you're in a hurry and don't care to use the already-made topical products(or maybe you want some colostrum to consume as well)..I would just go with one of the powders that are not encapsulated. Or wait to see if I get any responses from the companies and at least one research site.
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by Jacob » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:56 am
Forgot the nucleotides...
"Nucleotides can stimulate cellular growth and repair, including the skin. Nucleotides help expedite wound healing and recovery of damaged tissue from trauma, burns, bedsores, surgery or inflammatory disease. Even skin elasticity is improved and skin wrinkling has been diminished by the use of nucleotides."
"Quantum Nucleotide Complex - Nucleotides are the building blocks of RNA and DNA, which are needed to create new cells. Taking multiple rounds of these at the first signs of illness will result in a 97% chance of clearing the cold in one day. It is also good for other ailments, such as broken bones and wounds."
"Nucleotides are the most fundamental building block of the cell. It takes 6 billion nucleotides to construct a single cell. In the process of any infection, injury or trauma, the first requirement for recovery is dependent upon and limited by the supply of nucleotides. Studies have shown dramatic turn-a-rounds by the use of highly bio-available nucleotide concentrates.
"My good friend, a 55 year-old dentist, fractured his foot by falling off a ladder. His orthopedist told him it would take 8 weeks to heal and that the break was so severe and wide that a cast could not even be applied for 10 days. My 208-Ib, dental friend called me in severe pain and asked for help. He began 4 caps of nucleotides, 3 times per day (with foundation nutrient support). Within hours the pain vanished. Upon return to the orthopedic surgeon 10 days later (in order to place a cast), my friend learned that his fracture was so completely recovered, it needed no cast - to the unbelievable amazement of his orthopedist who had never seen such a case in 27 years of practice.
"We have had similar rapid success with many types of immune cases, especially for lung, throat and sinus concerns during the cold and winter season. Nucleotides are definitely a heavy hitter for the body's superior immune response."
-- Dr. Bob Marshall, PhD, CCN, DACBN"
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by goten574 » Sun Sep 18, 2011 1:44 pm
Jacob wrote:goten574 wrote:The Colostrum wouldn't work topically then? Without a special formula like you posted? I will have to reconsider. I have a guy from the USA who will order items from iHerb and send them to me in the UK. I want to try and keep things to iHerb only if possible. Would you recommend I order one of each of these and add in some coconut and Aloe Vera to make it last longer?
http://sunvalleycolostrum.com/products.htm (First Six Hour Colostrum Skin Cream)
http://www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com/c ... earch.html
I've no idea what nucleotides are...
By last longer..do you mean shelf life?
"Raw state"(as in this quote from my previous post..they're talking about topical use: "It is not possible to use colostrum in its raw state due to a high amount of fat") to me means fresh colostrum...maybe even the liquid. But I've sent some emails out to try to get some better answers on this. They're mostly talking about supplement/internal use in this next quote, but then again they do have a liquid that they say can be used topically:
Q: Should the fat be removed?
A: As a general rule, no. The fat contains active components.
“The first way of denaturing colostrum is by taking out the fat.”(Lance S. Wright, M.D.) Some components of colostrum use fat as a vehicle for transportation. Removing the fat eliminates some components and changes the proportions of others. This results in a loss of synergism.
http://www.synertekcolostrum.com/index.php/faqs/
So that's kinda conflicting info there. Take things out and you're messing with the goodies. But they need to be removed in order to use it topically? Keep in mind they're all selling something.
If you're in a hurry and don't care to use the already-made topical products(or maybe you want some colostrum to consume as well)..I would just go with one of the powders that are not encapsulated. Or wait to see if I get any responses from the companies and at least one research site.
By last longer, I mean the two Colostrum formulas I linked to (from your links) are only around 50ml each. If I mix them with Aloe Vera and Coconut, there would be much more ml of cream to use... there would be more to use for a longer time. Get me now? You think it's worth just purchasing the 2 creams and using it topically then? Or am I wasting my time? I do see the conflicting information and I am unsure with what to do.
http://sunvalleycolostrum.com/products.htm (First Six Hour Colostrum Skin Cream)
http://www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com/m ... ange_high=
Nucleotides, like this?
http://www.iherb.com/Premier-Research-L ... 23342?at=0
Would this work topically?
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by Jacob » Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:36 pm
I see what you mean...and yeah, it would obviously spread out the # of applications. I should get some responses this week on the conflicting info.
And yep..those are the nucleotides. But I have no idea if they'd work topically. I came across one topical product so far that contained them..but it's a skin whitening product. I've asked around..including these guys
http://www.nucleotides4health.org/welcome.html .
I used to take the nucleotides via some pricey protein shakes..so thanks for bumping this thread up to remind me. May take the one you linked to there..over the winter at least..or something like this:
http://www.healthywarehouse.com/energy/ ... -build.asp
Bluebonnet is another that makes a nucleotide product.
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by goten574 » Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:29 am
I will purchase the Colostrum powder since iHerb sells it and it would be much simplier for my contact in the USA to ship over to me. I will try nucleotide some other time. Is this something you will try Jacob?
I emailed Symbiotics about their Colostum Plus powder. I asked if the powder mixed with a carrier such as Aloe Vera or Coconut would penetrate the subcutaneous fat layer of the scalp. Here is their reply:
The fat soluble growth factors, phospholipids and PRPs can be absorbed into the skin tissue.
For blending typically not add anymore than 5% dry weight of colostrum powder into a liquid system.
Whether it works or not, I don't know but I will certainly see if it helps my hair! Not sure how I will ensure I use no more than 5% dry weight compared to the liquids I use.. anyone can help here?
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by Jacob » Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:51 pm
Nucleotides topically....possibly. I may take them in place of Del Immune for this winter as well. Speaking of Del..they have a new throat spray out. Maybe I'll soak my head with it:
http://www.delimmune.com/about/spray
Maybe this will help with the % question:
http://www.sciencecompany.com/lab/test_solns.htm But I wonder if some of those(especially the more expensive ones) colostrum topicals are highly concentrated. I'm sure some of the ingreds in them help with absorption as well.
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