Capillogain® Tonic

SyntheseLabRat · Post by **SyntheseLabRat** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:59 pm

israelite wrote:
israelite wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQinKTTTin8
I think this YouTube clearly shows good regrowth

Thanks for the video, Mark.

SyntheseLabRat · Post by **SyntheseLabRat** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:01 pm

Medellin wrote:SyntheseLabRat,

Do you really have plans on making this without the Triaminodil? I'm eager to try it out.

Yes, but it will take some time. First things first.

ChuckP · Post by **ChuckP** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:47 pm

I don't see this on Amazon anymore?

SyntheseLabRat · Post by **SyntheseLabRat** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:44 pm

ChuckP wrote:I don't see this on Amazon anymore?

Sorry, out of stock again.
The next batch will be much larger.

israelite · Post by **israelite** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:22 pm

im gonna buy the shampoo when it comes out. i think revita changed its formula again. capillogain, ih9 and mistry shampoo moving forward

ChemicalBrother · Post by **ChemicalBrother** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:56 pm

israelite wrote:im gonna buy the shampoo when it comes out. i think revita changed its formula again. capillogain, ih9 and mistry shampoo moving forward

same here.
You should see the inside of my bathroom cabinets... they are almost falling off of the wall under the weight of the shampoo and conditioner bottles.
I dont think there s one brand I dont have. Should be good to toss them all out and have just one brand that actually works (make my remaining hair look decent and maybe even help with mpb altho I'm not setting my hopes too high on a shampoo for that).

SyntheseLabRat · Post by **SyntheseLabRat** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:20 pm

The procyanidins in our Shampoo help also with the protection and look of the hair shafts.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21226878

Quote:
"These results confirm that procyanidin oligomers can be applicable as a potential candidate to the development of hair care with protective effect on hair damage."

Procyanidin oligomers strongly bind to keratin in hair and inhibit the breakdown of hair caused by oxidative damage.
I think they will be beneficial not only for bleached hair.
I think we already observed this positive effect on hair shafts with our prototypes although not sure if it stems from the procyanidins.

SyntheseLabRat · Post by **SyntheseLabRat** » Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:23 pm

Is this the reason why humans became hairless apes?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18479839

"photomelanometabolism"

Interesting, I always wondered why animals haven´t developed something similar to photosynthesis.

Well, it is just a hypothesis by the authors ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pecten_oculi

SyntheseLabRat · Post by **SyntheseLabRat** » Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:36 pm

This one is funny:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21332858

Quote:
"After controlling for the effects of phylogeny, latitude and sexual dichromatism, the proportion of pheomelanic plumage colour was strongly negatively related to the relative brain mass of species, whereas no relationship was found for the proportion of eumelanic colour. This indicates that the production of pheomelanin is a costly process that cannot evolve together with complex neural structures and thus with large cognitive capacity."

Think about the birds you know, black birds like raven, crow, and black-billed magpie are smart birds ...

But I don´t want to hear any jokes about Blondes now

lothar97 · Post by **lothar97** » Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:20 pm

Today is my third day of using this product, and unfortunately I am also experiencing increased shedding. I was excited to use this product. I noticed the increased shedding started the day after I began the product, which I don't feel is a good sign. I don't think I have had usual minox sides which I am prone to, so I don't know if the shed is caused by the trimonadil or a different ingredient.

mitcky · Post by **mitcky** » Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:12 pm

Hello all....anyone miss me?

I have been using this stuff for the past 2 1/2 weeks. Nothing to report yet but a little shed. I find it easy to use and I will give this every chance to work.

israelite · Post by **israelite** » Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:24 pm

i think sheds are over rated. when i i first used fin i sheded for 6months. the dermatologist told me it was no worries!

israelite · Post by **israelite** » Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:25 pm

also. i think capillogain isa good treatment but i think a dht vlocker is a must for long term use.

The Mission · Post by **The Mission** » Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:43 pm

DHT blockers are not a must, and should be avoided. Even natural ones can cause side effects. And their effectiveness is short-term.

SyntheseLabRat · Post by **SyntheseLabRat** » Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:50 pm

lothar97 wrote:Today is my third day of using this product, and unfortunately I am also experiencing increased shedding. I was excited to use this product. I noticed the increased shedding started the day after I began the product, which I don't feel is a good sign. I don't think I have had usual minox sides which I am prone to, so I don't know if the shed is caused by the trimonadil or a different ingredient.

You don´t get Minox sides because the Triaminodil concentration in Capillogain Tonic is very low and the special vehicle helps to keep the active agents in the skin where we want them to be.
However, the Triaminodil concentration is high enough to be effective, especially because of the vehicle. Having said this it is clear why you can experience shedding from Triaminodil or any other active agent in Capillogain Tonic while not experiencing any systemic Minox related sides.

ThreeCoolCats · Post by **ThreeCoolCats** » Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:13 pm

Good evening folks. Just started Capillogain today, and i plan on using it twice a day.

I don't use any other products at the moment, but i will add OC****** in 2 weeks, so I won't be a 100% reliable source I guess... Sorry

Anyway I'll let you know if a notice any hair regrowth.

Jacob · Post by **Jacob** » Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:41 pm

The Mission wrote:The ingredients are impressive. But I wonder whether they will lose their effectiveness over a short period of time.

Jacob, I can't sign in with my old username. What's up?

TN

Does it say you're banned or anything? I'll check later to try to find the name and see if I can see anything on my side. As for my log-in problem..it's just that I have to log in each fricken time- it won't keep me logged in. Checked the box and everything.

Fred was talking about GLA and looking for an alternative- even though it sounds like it's unnecessary to do so. I don't know if this would do what you're looking for it to do, but it's something I've posted about in the past when the topic of Revivogen and/or free form fatty acids would come up. http://www.graminex.com/bulk-naxpaste.php or maybe http://www.graminex.com/bulk-gfx.php

GLC analyses of the fat-soluble pollen extract
revealed that the major part (more than 60%) of
the fatty acid was in the free form (Table 1, Fig.
1). Bound fatty acids, which rather reflect the
compositional profile of pollen, were
characterized by a high content of α-linolenic
acid (18: 3n-3, α-LLA) (70%) followed by small
amounts of linoleic (18: 2n-6) and oleic acid
(181n-9) only. Palmitic acid (16:0) was the most
abundant saturated fatty acid.

That quote is from: http://www.graminex.com/graminex/file/1 ... xtract.pdf

One other thing- it would be nice to have a hair gel that contains some of these goodies that you're using in the topical and/or shampoo. Something "light" like Lamas' Chinese herbal one- it's not really a styling gel, just tames the hair down a bit..for me anyway. It's something people may be interested in using if they're not using your up-and-coming shampoo, or even if they are. It's also a quick way to apply a "topical" if one is in a hurry, and/or just doesn't care to apply regular topicals.

Jacob · Post by **Jacob** » Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:51 pm

mitcky wrote:Hello all....anyone miss me?

I have been using this stuff for the past 2 1/2 weeks. Nothing to report yet but a little shed. I find it easy to use and I will give this every chance to work.

Terribly

...welcome back..and welcome to all the newbies here..and the others who have also popped back in.

Travbedaman · Post by **Travbedaman** » Sun Jan 06, 2013 6:20 pm

I have been using Capillogain for about a month and have also noticed a fairly big shed, so I take it as a good sign, but time will tell. Ill keep everyone updated.

israelite · Post by **israelite** » Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:14 pm

patches of new growth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9A0ZmcCx8I

Medellin · Post by **Medellin** » Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:45 pm

Synthese, are you able to disclose the active ingredients in your shampoo at this time? I've been using nizoral/regenepure shampoo but my skin reacts badly to the ketoconazole. Looking forward to trying out your shampoo if it's free of keto.

Thanks!

SyntheseLabRat · Post by **SyntheseLabRat** » Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:42 pm

Somebody please post this also on HLH in the “Shedding on Capillogain”-thread.

We decided to give you the concentration of Triaminodil in Capillogain Tonic.
So far only bottles from the first batch were sold at amazon. The second batch will be available soon at amazon.

The first batch of Capillogain Tonic contained merely 0.25% Triaminodil.

==> 1) Therefore you get no systemic Minoxidil sides. In addition the special vehicle increases skin retention and decreases systemic absorption. The combination of a very low Triaminodil concentration with the special vehicle leads to your observation of absence of typical Minoxidil sides. People who are prone to Minoxidil sides may be ok with Capillogain Tonic.

2) One cannot really say Capillogain Tonic hides behind the Minoxdil effect. Although the vehicle increases the effectiveness of Triaminodil it is more than likely that the action of Capillogain Tonic stems not only from Triaminodil but mainly from the other active agents. So shedding may occur but it is likely a good sign.

3) For those who already use a Minoxidil product, there may be the possibility of an additional effect with Capillogain Tonic since Capillogain Tonic most likely works mainly by a different mechanism than Minoxidil. A combination of Capillogain Tonic with a Minoxidil product may be attractive for people who have no problem with Minoxidil and are good responders to it.

You may now understand why we think it is amazing that Capillogain Tonic was able to cause the so far observed positive results. It is amazing because we use such a low concentration of Triaminodil.

I think one of the most powerful and underestimated active agents in Capillogain Tonic is Raspberry Ketone.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18321745

You can take a look at the full article here:

http://www.folikul.com/Ahududu.pdf

Take a look at figure 7, it shows photos of a human trial.

IGF-1 is likely the most powerful and most important positive hair growth factor. IGF-1 gets increased by Raspberry Ketone.
A direct link between DHT and IGF-I production in dermal papillae has been confirmed:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21839661

The second batch will be available at amazon soon. It contains 0.5% Triaminodil and also the concentrations of some other active agents have been increased a bit but not all of them. More is not always better, but we think we are still in the safe concentration window. The barley husk extract which provides the Procyanidin-B3 to Capillogain Tonic, was freshly made for the second batch.

@paisano
After you know the very small concentration of Triaminodil in Capillogain Tonic, don´t you think it is invalid to say it is just another Minox product?
You mentioned a product by another company. Actually I don´t know the list of ingredients of their current products, that may sound funny but it is the truth, I never had the time to look it up and I was also not interested much in it since I read nearly only bad reports about their products on the boards. You yourself seem to have discontinued it. But you can already read several positive reports about Capillogain Tonic after this short time and I know about a few more on the German board who will post photos soon and of course I will show them to you as soon as they post them. So where is the “resemblance” between those products? You already mentioned before the similar ingredients but if I remember correct you mentioned only Biotin and Minoxidil/Triaminodil and maybe something else as common ingredients. I would suggest that you post the full ingredients list of their product here and in the same post you post our full ingredients list and then you can compare. As I said, I don´t know their ingredients list but I doubt they use Raspberry Ketone yet. But they very likely will use it soon. But Raspberry Ketone is one of the main ingredients in Capillogain Tonic. And I doubt they use Procynaidin-B3 from Barley husk extract. But Procyanidin-B3 is the most potent procyanidin compared to B2 and C1 with regard to hair growth promotion. If a product works or not depends also very much on the concentrations, the quality of ingredients (also if you don´t store them properly they become useless), and very much on the vehicle. If our product works better than their product you argument "oh they both have Biotin in it" is baseless.
Think it over, even you yourself may benefit from adding Capillogain Tonic to your Minox-regimen since Capillogain Tonic most likely works by another mechanism than Minoxidil to a large extend. You know the low concentration of Triaminodil in Capillogain Tonic now and on the other hand you may have heard about the reports and photos of several users. Make up your mind. But of course you can wait some months. Actually, with the information on the extremely low concentration of Triaminodil in Capillogain Tonic and the know of the results of several users it is already time for you to apologize but I doubt you would agree on that

So let´s see what happens in a few months.
Also think about the following:
Even if the main effect stems from the 0.25% Triaminodil, then we achieved the same or better results than other Minox products but with no systemic Minox related sides, in addition our product absorbs much faster than most other products and it does not leave any residue on the skin unlike many other greasy products. Furthermore, Capillogain Tonic does not contain any PG and only little Ethanol which leads to much less skin problems. That alone makes Capillogain Tonic worthy even if most of its action stems from the 0.25% Triaminodil, which is unlikely.

Btw. when we produced Nanominox some years ago (that one did contain much Minoxidil), DNC didn´t even exist but started soon after we came out with Nanominox. That time they started with plain Minox and nothing else added. Only later they added other ingredients like we already did long before them and they added similar ingredients to what we added to Nanominox, like adenosine for example.

And it is Panax Ginseng or Ginkgo Biloba, not “Ginseng Baloba” …

And you better don´t say “Rocky Baloba” instead of “Rocky Balboa” in front of Sly

SyntheseLabRat · Post by **SyntheseLabRat** » Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:58 pm

Medellin wrote:Synthese, are you able to disclose the active ingredients in your shampoo at this time? I've been using nizoral/regenepure shampoo but my skin reacts badly to the ketoconazole. Looking forward to trying out your shampoo if it's free of keto.

Thanks!

Capillogain Shampoo does not contain ketoconazole.

The INCI list of Capillogain Shampoo is:
AQUA
DISODIUM LAURETH SULFOSUCCINATE
COCAMIDOPROPYL BETAINE
PEG-200 HYDROGENATED GLYCERYL PALMATE
PEG-7 GLYCERYL COCOATE
ALCOHOL DENAT.
POLYSORBATE 20
SANGUISORBA OFFICINALIS ROOT EXTRACT
PYRROLIDINIL DIAMINOPYRIMIDINE OXIDE (Triaminodil)
CAMELLIA SINENSIS LEAF EXTRACT (EGCG from Green Tea Extract)
GRAPE SEED EXTRACT
PANAX GINSENG BERRY EXTRACT
PHENOXYETHANOL
PANTHENOL
ARGININE
TAURINE
CYANOCOBALAMIN
BIOTIN

Maybe CARNITINE is added if it does not interfere with the vehicle.

SyntheseLabRat · Post by **SyntheseLabRat** » Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:28 pm

There is a product of another company where you wonder why their first batch worked while their later batches don´t.

Their first batch appeared long time after we started with Nanominox but their product was a very similar to Nanominox. But then they tried to be smart and changed it and failed. It is not all about what you put in a formula it is also about what you don´t put into it!
By the time their first similar product started, Nanominox was likely disappeared from the market already since we had problems without facility and I was busy with my thesis, so we delayed the project until recently.
So you guys may understand why it pisses me a little bit off if we get compared to that company like we would have copied them while ... . Nanominox was sold definitely several months before their first similar product. But of course there is a possibility that they haven´t been aware of us and our products at all and it is all just coincidence.

israelite · Post by **israelite** » Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:52 pm

Im pleased with my results with capillogain. Hairs are growing along the hairline. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlUbpE72DSA.

im hoping when i get enough money i can put proxiphen back in my regimen $\:D/$

Aks20 · Post by **Aks20** » Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:59 am

It would be really great if you could make a topical without triaminodil and any of the five alpha R inhbitors which can go systemic (GLA does not, from what you posted). Such a "safe" topical with minimal side effects is something I would love to order

SyntheseLabRat · Post by **SyntheseLabRat** » Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:18 am

Capillogain Tonic is back in stock again at amazon.
These bottles are from the fresh second batch.

http://www.amazon.com/Capillogain%C2%AE ... apillogain

Jacob · Post by **Jacob** » Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:16 am

israelite wrote:Im pleased with my results with capillogain. Hairs are growing along the hairline. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlUbpE72DSA.

im hoping when i get enough money i can put proxiphen back in my regimen $\:D/$

Can you please at least stop mentioning prox..which I may have changed to "snake oil" every time it's mentioned

...in threads not devoted to it? If your hair is doing so well why the bleep would you want to waste money(see the thread on it here) on the crap anyway?

Jacob · Post by **Jacob** » Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:45 am

BTW....some are worried about shedding with this product..or any product. Some say it's good..some freak out and think nothing good can come of it. And I don't know if this would even prevent such a shed(for those who don't believe in shed'n)..but I wonder if slowwwly introducing a new topical like this into ones regimen would help. I think sometimes such a quick introduction to a new topical shocks the scalp/hair and initially causes "problems. Maybe waiting a few days after the initial application...slowly working up to once a day and even twice a day..would be a good idea

It's what I do..but who knows if it'd prevent the sheds for those who'd otherwise experience 'em.

israelite · Post by **israelite** » Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:37 am

wow this thread is getting lots of views! i would like to mention if u apply capillogain to the hairline only like me it will last several months! capillogain is part of a complete regimen in terms of restoring a hairline!

SyntheseLabRat · Post by **SyntheseLabRat** » Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:14 pm

@Jacob
Thank you for the hint. But I don´t search for a replacement for GLA currently. We don´t replace it at the moment but if we do I already have several alternatives.

The Mission · Post by **The Mission** » Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:02 pm

I would take Jacob's suggestion a step further, and experiment with one topical for designated period of time, so as to leave no doubt as to what is doing what.

israelite, take a break.

SW2 · Post by **SW2** » Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:49 pm

hey Syntheselabrat,

Since Capillogain absorbs so well, is there much benefit in rubbing it into the scalp for those who have long hair? reason i ask is my hair is about 1.5 - 2" in length; by rubbing the solution in, some is absorbed and left in the hair rather than on the scalp (i know this as my hair is wet after applying and after it dries, residue remains on the shafts). I've just started my 2nd bottle, and have recently ordered another 4 bottles as i'm committing to at least 5 or 6 months of Capillogain. do you also see any benefits in using Capillogain in conjunction with dermarolling; i know this was mentioned before, but i don't remember if you provided a yes or no answer...?

thanks for now!

happy new years everyone else!

Flynn · Post by **Flynn** » Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:41 pm

Hi Synth,

How is production of your second shampoo tracking?

Thanks for your time in participating on the forum!

Fizzball · Post by **Fizzball** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:39 am

Are there any plans to create a hair conditioner sometime in the future?

If excessive shaking may be bad for the products composition wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that the products effectiveness may be compromised by shipping particularly that of those being delivered overseas, also I believe temperatures may also be another factor involved within shipping to various other geographical locations. (just a theory)

I'm currently experimenting with the nanogen vegf serum but thus far have nothing positive to report, I'm currently on my 3rd bottle and vastly approaching the 3 month mark and as such I am already looking towards Capillogain Tonic within my next round of trial after another 3 months of nanogen vegf. Although I mentioned I am currently using Revita Shampoo and Revita Cor conditioner I shall consider switching over if you intend to create a conditioner also.

swissTemples · Post by **swissTemples** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:25 am

I'm a bit more than one month into Capillogain now. Still some shedding but seems to have decreased. The vellus hairs that I shed before are growing back (not more, not less, same amount) but the terminal hairs I've shed are still gone.

If I don't have any regrowth in the next few months then all it did was catapult me from NW2 towards NW3. We will see how it goes, I'll stick with it for another 2 months at least.

israelite wrote:patches of new growth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9A0ZmcCx8I

Mark that's not "just" from Capillogain as you're on a truckload of products. We can't be sure.

Jacob wrote:
mitcky wrote:Hello all....anyone miss me?

I have been using this stuff for the past 2 1/2 weeks. Nothing to report yet but a little shed. I find it easy to use and I will give this every chance to work.
Terribly ...welcome back..and welcome to all the newbies here..and the others who have also popped back in.

Many of us aren't newbies, just regulars from other forums.

The Mission wrote:DHT blockers are not a must, and should be avoided

Yes they should be avoided if you want to sail smoothly towards NW7.

synthese · Post by **synthese** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:16 pm

3 month Capillogain (2ED) + Capillogain Shampoo (1ED) nothing else

front pic:

http://www.functional-products.net/data ... 1.2013.jpg

swissTemples · Post by **swissTemples** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:38 pm

synthese wrote:3 month Capillogain (2ED) + Capillogain Shampoo (1ED) nothing else

front pic:

http://www.functional-products.net/data ... 1.2013.jpg

One month capillogain 2ED:

http://i.imgur.com/0rY2Q.jpg

Jacob · Post by **Jacob** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:05 pm

SW2 wrote:hey Syntheselabrat,

Since Capillogain absorbs so well, is there much benefit in rubbing it into the scalp for those who have long hair? reason i ask is my hair is about 1.5 - 2" in length; by rubbing the solution in, some is absorbed and left in the hair rather than on the scalp (i know this as my hair is wet after applying and after it dries, residue remains on the shafts). I've just started my 2nd bottle, and have recently ordered another 4 bottles as i'm committing to at least 5 or 6 months of Capillogain. do you also see any benefits in using Capillogain in conjunction with dermarolling; i know this was mentioned before, but i don't remember if you provided a yes or no answer...?

IMO it's almost impossible not to get it in your hair..I've noticed a hair-spray effect after it dries(another reason why I suggested a "gel"-type product. It's not going to be as "potent" as a regular topical..but at least you're using something with the goodies in it..during the daytime). Using one of those dab-on applicator bottles like Dr. Lee used to sell may help for getting less in your hair...or one of those brush applicators.

swiss Temples.....former regulars, posters who pop in from time to time, newbies, regulars from other forums that are newbies here..that should cover it!

John Yossarian · Post by **John Yossarian** » Sat Jan 12, 2013 6:10 pm

Well, I ended up getting side effects. I just got it yesterday and I've used it twice already. I'm hyper-sensitive to every product I've ever used so I guess it's not surprising. I always get these side effects in my eyes. My eyes always get sore, swollen and itchy with every topical I've ever used. I was hoping this product would be different. Oh well.

HairyHarry · Post by **HairyHarry** » Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:34 pm

I started using Capillogain 5 days ago and used it 1 time a day. It absorbs really well, but i've got some minor issues.

Since applying it for the first time, i've got this minor headache all day long, not really bad, but always looming in the background. Also have irritated eyes - like when you accidentally get soap in your eyes while showering, but the feeling stays a bit all day. Also my face gets red and warm really easily. When I enter a room where heating is on, it feels like my face is burning.

I've never used minox in my life, but fear that these symptons may be caused by the (low dose of) triaminodil. Therefore I am eager to know if a version without triaminodil will appear soon as I think the other ingredients are really interesting.

Jacob · Post by **Jacob** » Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:19 pm

Are you guys applying it to a dry scalp or while it's a bit damp?

John Yossarian · Post by **John Yossarian** » Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:28 pm

I applied it to a dry scalp. I wish I could continue using it, but the side effects have been pretty bad. I only used it for 2 days, too. Onto the next product, I guess.

tinytim · Post by **tinytim** » Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:56 am

israelite wrote:Im pleased with my results with capillogain. Hairs are growing along the hairline. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlUbpE72DSA.

im hoping when i get enough money i can put proxiphen back in my regimen $\:D/$

hi isr i know you are using loads of different prioducts so it looks bad on capillogain as you and us are confused which product is causing any regrowth also at bald truth there are better hair transplants now so you would be better spending your money on that as i would if i could afford it. $\:D/$

Travbedaman · Post by **Travbedaman** » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:02 am

HairyHarry wrote:I started using Capillogain 5 days ago and used it 1 time a day. It absorbs really well, but i've got some minor issues.

Since applying it for the first time, i've got this minor headache all day long, not really bad, but always looming in the background. Also have irritated eyes - like when you accidentally get soap in your eyes while showering, but the feeling stays a bit all day. Also my face gets red and warm really easily. When I enter a room where heating is on, it feels like my face is burning.

I've never used minox in my life, but fear that these symptons may be caused by the (low dose of) triaminodil. Therefore I am eager to know if a version without triaminodil will appear soon as I think the other ingredients are really interesting.

Maybe try some minox and see if you get the same sides, you are merely guessing its Triamnodil.

You could be right, but you maybe wrong.

Jacob · Post by **Jacob** » Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:36 pm

John Yossarian wrote:I applied it to a dry scalp. I wish I could continue using it, but the side effects have been pretty bad. I only used it for 2 days, too. Onto the next product, I guess.

I don't know if you can remember everything you've used(I think you listed them in the past)...but maybe start a new thread on that- maybe we can suggest something. I wonder if it's just some certain ingredient that's bugging you.

israelite · Post by **israelite** » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:02 pm

my results are getting stronger! hairs longer i use 4 topicals ansd capillogain is a good for making those hairs grow longer

HairyHarry · Post by **HairyHarry** » Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:46 am

Hey Syntheselabrat,

Any idea if there will be a version op Capillogan Tonic without Triaminodil? If yes, any idea when it will come out?

SyntheseLabRat · Post by **SyntheseLabRat** » Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:35 am

Aks20 wrote:It would be really great if you could make a topical without triaminodil and any of the five alpha R inhbitors which can go systemic (GLA does not, from what you posted). Such a "safe" topical with minimal side effects is something I would love to order

A topical without Triaminodil is likely to come. But I am not sure when it will be ready.

I think the rest of the ingredients won´t be changed since people want a copy of Capillogain Tonic but just without the Triaminodil. However, we may come up with a version with EGCG which does not appear to exhibit systemic effects, too.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11380153

Quote:
" EGCG also inhibited DHT-dependent growth of flank organs. These catechins, therefore, may act by a mechanism other than inhibition of 5alpha-reductase. The effect of EGCG and other compounds was localized at the site of application; they did not affect the growth of the contralateral flank organ in the same animal. Since these compounds do not appear to exhibit systemic effects, they may be potentially useful for treatment of androgen-dependent skin disorders."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21951062

Quote:
"Topical EGCG down-regulated the T-induced expression of androgen receptor but did not down-regulate 17β-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (HSD) and three β-HSD expression. Analysis using liquid chromatography tandem mass spectrometry (LC-MS/MS) on serum and tissue samples revealed no significant difference in T and dihydrotestosterone concentrations between the T-injected and T + EGCG groups. Thus, we found that T injection in a mouse model induces hair loss by apoptosis of the hair follicles rather than through the androgen metabolic pathway and also saw that T-induced apoptosis of hair follicles was reduced by topical EGCG."

Unfortunately, EGCG inhibits angiogenesis:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20830241

But since Capillogain Tonic contains several ingredients which increase VEGF, I think EGCG may be a good addition.
EGCG is already part of Capillogain Shampoo which we produced 2 days ago. It will be available at amazon soon. It also contains a FGF-5 inhibitor.

HairyHarry · Post by **HairyHarry** » Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:39 am

Interesting! Really looking forward to that topical!!!

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