Capillogain® Tonic

[SyntheseLabRat]

BTW....some are worried about shedding with this product..or any product. Some say it's good..some freak out and think nothing good can come of it. And I don't know if this would even prevent such a shed(for those who don't believe in shed'n)..but I wonder if slowwwly introducing a new topical like this into ones regimen would help. I think sometimes such a quick introduction to a new topical shocks the scalp/hair and initially causes "problems. Maybe waiting a few days after the initial application...slowly working up to once a day and even twice a day..would be a good idea It's what I do..but who knows if it'd prevent the sheds for those who'd otherwise experience 'em.

I will write a long text about "shedding" soon which will be displayed on our page, too.
Just a few words in advance:
In order to fall out a hair has to terminate the anagen phase, go through the catagen, telogen and exogen phase. That is not going to happen overnight. If you get shedding from a product already after 2 days of application it is because those hairs which are already in the telogen phase get pushed out by new hairs. The more hair you have in telogen phase the stronger will be your shedding if you use a product like Minoxidil which induces the anagen phase. Those people who report about little or no shedding usually don´t have a strong hair loss problem. But those people who have made a trichoscan and were told that they have way too many hairs in the telogen phase, they get strong shedding, but that is a good sign. In my opinion, the severity of shedding correlates with the severity of the hair loss problem. I am not surprised that Mark didn´t get noticeable shedding from Capillogain Tonic.
Some people are worried that a product may do harm to their hair if it causes shedding after about 2 days of application. But substances that are really bad for hair growth, like those used in a chemotherapy, need about 3 to 4 weeks to cause the hair to fall out. To cause an anagen hair to fall out it needs some time.
Etoposide is such a chemotherapy drug, you can read about the time it needs to cause hair loss here:

http://www.macmillan.org.uk/Cancerinfor ... oside.aspx

A nice publication on the hair cycle can be found here

http://jcs.biologists.org/content/119/3/391.full.pdf

But the focus is on the hair cycle in mice. Nevertheless, it is useful to look some terms up like "OHRS" and so on, which you can find in the drawings.

[SyntheseLabRat]

hey Syntheselabrat,

Since Capillogain absorbs so well, is there much benefit in rubbing it into the scalp for those who have long hair? reason i ask is my hair is about 1.5 - 2" in length; by rubbing the solution in, some is absorbed and left in the hair rather than on the scalp (i know this as my hair is wet after applying and after it dries, residue remains on the shafts). I've just started my 2nd bottle, and have recently ordered another 4 bottles as i'm committing to at least 5 or 6 months of Capillogain. do you also see any benefits in using Capillogain in conjunction with dermarolling; i know this was mentioned before, but i don't remember if you provided a yes or no answer...?

thanks for now!

happy new years everyone else!

Capillogain Tonic absorbs well in the skin without residue but it can´t be absorbed by the hair shafts. If you can manage that it doesn´t run off your head before it absorbs you can dispense with the rubbing.
I am skeptical about the derma roller. A derma roller is usually used for the facial skin in order to increase collagen production in the skin. I am not sure if that may increase the risk of fibrosis in our scalp. You definitely don´t need a derma roller in order to increase absorption since Capillogain Tonic absorbs very well on its own.
The "wounding theory" may advise the usage of a derma roller but I am not aware of any scientific publication that has investigated the actions of a derma roller on its own on scalp hair growth despite the penetration enhancing effect for substances. Therefore I am skeptical. If you already used it for a long time and you think it worked for you, you may want to continue using it but otherwise I would try without it for some time.

So, now you may know why you don´t remember a definite "yes" or "no"

[SyntheseLabRat]

I have been using Capillogain for about a month and have also noticed a fairly big shed, so I take it as a good sign, but time will tell. Ill keep everyone updated.

Please read what I wrote about shedding in one of me previous posts.

[SyntheseLabRat]

Hi Synth,

How is production of your second shampoo tracking?

Thanks for your time in participating on the forum!

We produced Capillogain Shampoo 2 days ago, it will be available at amazon soon.

The second shampoo is delayed for 2 or 3 months.

[SyntheseLabRat]

Are there any plans to create a hair conditioner sometime in the future?

If excessive shaking may be bad for the products composition wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that the products effectiveness may be compromised by shipping particularly that of those being delivered overseas, also I believe temperatures may also be another factor involved within shipping to various other geographical locations. (just a theory)

I'm currently experimenting with the nanogen vegf serum but thus far have nothing positive to report, I'm currently on my 3rd bottle and vastly approaching the 3 month mark and as such I am already looking towards Capillogain Tonic within my next round of trial after another 3 months of nanogen vegf. Although I mentioned I am currently using Revita Shampoo and Revita Cor conditioner I shall consider switching over if you intend to create a conditioner also.

Excessive shaking is harmful for susceptible growth factors like IGF-1. VEGF is more stable than for example KGF but still you it should not be shaken vigorously.
Capillogain Tonic doesn´t contain such growth factors. However, complex molecules like Procyanidin-B3 which contain weak bindings may be susceptible, too. But I don´t know that. My advice to not shake Capillogain Tonic hard is just a measure of precaution. Just tilt it a few times slowly before you apply it. The little shaking during shipping won´t be a problem for Capillogain Tonic I assume but it may be a problem for products which contain growth factors like KGF.

You may want to ask that company about the stability of their VEGF, not only to shaking but in general since usually these growth factors are very unstable in a solution. I tried to get an answer but didn´t get one.

We may come up with a conditioner in the future if people like the shampoo.

[SyntheseLabRat]

I'm a bit more than one month into Capillogain now. Still some shedding but seems to have decreased. The vellus hairs that I shed before are growing back (not more, not less, same amount) but the terminal hairs I've shed are still gone. If I don't have any regrowth in the next few months then all it did was catapult me from NW2 towards NW3. We will see how it goes, I'll stick with it for another 2 months at least.

patches of new growth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9A0ZmcCx8I

Mark that's not "just" from Capillogain as you're on a truckload of products. We can't be sure.

Hello all....anyone miss me?

I have been using this stuff for the past 2 1/2 weeks. Nothing to report yet but a little shed. I find it easy to use and I will give this every chance to work.

Terribly ...welcome back..and welcome to all the newbies here..and the others who have also popped back in.

Many of us aren't newbies, just regulars from other forums.

DHT blockers are not a must, and should be avoided

Yes they should be avoided if you want to sail smoothly towards NW7.

Please read what I wrote about shedding in one of my recent previous posts.

So far, sooner or later Capillogain Tonic worked for everyone.
Since you had shedding many of your hairs were already in the telogen phase. You may need more time with a product than others.

You use Neogenic for 2.5 months longer than Capillogain Tonic. That means you use Neogenic for more than 3.5 months now. It does not seem to work for you although they have a study. And you don´t say you will stop it in the future.
I don´t think it is a good idea to use Neogenic 4 times per day on a small area of your scalp since that is much more than intended by the manufacturer. Think about it, you cannot rely on a study if you use it 4 times instead of once per day. I understand that you don´t want to waste this expensive stuff but are you sure it will be degraded until the next day if you store it in the fridge? It comes already in a liquid form, if I am not mistaken, so it has not to be mixed with another liquid and it is not a powder which has to be rehydrated before the application. But if it is already in a liquid solution for a long time before the application, I doubt it gets degraded until the next day in a fridge. But I don´t know much about that product.

[SyntheseLabRat]

I applied it to a dry scalp. I wish I could continue using it, but the side effects have been pretty bad. I only used it for 2 days, too. Onto the next product, I guess.

Try to apply it in the evening and wash your hair in the morning.
If that doesn´t work, try to reduce the amount you apply.

[SyntheseLabRat]

my results are getting stronger! hairs longer i use 4 topicals ansd capillogain is a good for making those hairs grow longer

That looks really good, Mark.

[swissTemples]

Please read what I wrote about shedding in one of my recent previous posts.

So far, sooner or later Capillogain Tonic worked for everyone.
Since you had shedding many of your hairs were already in the telogen phase. You may need more time with a product than others.

You use Neogenic for 2.5 months longer than Capillogain Tonic. That means you use Neogenic for more than 3.5 months now. It does not seem to work for you although they have a study. And you don´t say you will stop it in the future.
I don´t think it is a good idea to use Neogenic 4 times per day on a small area of your scalp since that is much more than intended by the manufacturer. Think about it, you cannot rely on a study if you use it 4 times instead of once per day. I understand that you don´t want to waste this expensive stuff but are you sure it will be degraded until the next day if you store it in the fridge? It comes already in a liquid form, if I am not mistaken, so it has not to be mixed with another liquid and it is not a powder which has to be rehydrated before the application. But if it is already in a liquid solution for a long time before the application, I doubt it gets degraded until the next day in a fridge. But I don´t know much about that product.

Heya Labrat

I did read it and was already aware of that, that`s why I`m not quitting Capillogain yet.

Neogenic has worked in that it has produced a patch of small vellus hairs about 1cm away from my hairline but they haven`t turned into terminal hairs (yet?).

You`re right that would be a lot but as it is I am only dabbing some on my fingers and rubbing it into the scalp, it`s not really that much once you get down to it, I just decided to spread the dosage out during the day to get a longer half life. I store it at room temperature in a dry and dark place, should be fine but thanks for the concern.

No news about Capillogain on my side, it -seems- like the vellus hairs are multiplying but I can`t really tell yet if that`s for real or just wishful thinking.

[israelite]

my results are getting stronger! hairs longer i use 4 topicals ansd capillogain is a good for making those hairs grow longer

That looks really good, Mark.

My resultss are getting better for sure

[SyntheseLabRat]

I did read it and was already aware of that, that`s why I`m not quitting Capillogain yet.

Neogenic has worked in that it has produced a patch of small vellus hairs about 1cm away from my hairline but they haven`t turned into terminal hairs (yet?).

You`re right that would be a lot but as it is I am only dabbing some on my fingers and rubbing it into the scalp, it`s not really that much once you get down to it, I just decided to spread the dosage out during the day to get a longer half life. I store it at room temperature in a dry and dark place, should be fine but thanks for the concern.

No news about Capillogain on my side, it -seems- like the vellus hairs are multiplying but I can`t really tell yet if that`s for real or just wishful thinking.

1cm away from your hairline? Weird. 1cm is actually a not so small distance.
I am not sure if I understood you right. You don´t use the full 6ml of one vial per day split in 4 applications on a small area, right? But you apply the amount meant per day for your area but split into 4 applications, right? So let´s say you apply about 2ml to your front per day, split into 4 applications per 0.5ml each?
If so, you may not get above the threshold dosage which may be necessary to start the proper body response. I am not sure if that is the case with that product but there are many examples where such a threshold dosage exists. I know of many publications on hair growth promoting substances which don´t work at all at a too low concentration. The response is not always linear, a small dose may not have a small effect but sometimes it has zero effect. Some drugs like Roaccutane for acne treatment do more or less accumulate and even small dosage work but many other substances need a threshold dosage. Think of bodybuilding. If you do a short but very strong exercise in order to trigger a stimulus for muscle growth you will become Mr. Universe. If you split that exercise into many small light exercises you will just do work, burn calories, wear down your body, and become starved famished Pinocchio. Do you want your hair to be strong and thick like an Angora cat or weak and thin like a naked mole rat (like the one in the cage next to mine)
Again, I am not sure if such a threshold dosage mechanism is present for that product but why risk to possibly render it ineffective by not using it as intended?

[Fuzzy]

I've been using this for a few days now, actually kinda like the smell lol... anyway it feels good on the scalp and absorb well too. But how much is 3 pumps per application? Squeezing the applicator 3 times? And if I only apply this once per day, do I apply twice the dose (6 pumps)?

[swissTemples]

1cm away from your hairline? Weird. 1cm is actually a not so small distance.
I am not sure if I understood you right. You don´t use the full 6ml of one vial per day split in 4 applications on a small area, right? But you apply the amount meant per day for your area but split into 4 applications, right? So let´s say you apply about 2ml to your front per day, split into 4 applications per 0.5ml each?
If so, you may not get above the threshold dosage which may be necessary to start the proper body response. I am not sure if that is the case with that product but there are many examples where such a threshold dosage exists. I know of many publications on hair growth promoting substances which don´t work at all at a too low concentration. The response is not always linear, a small dose may not have a small effect but sometimes it has zero effect. Some drugs like Roaccutane for acne treatment do more or less accumulate and even small dosage work but many other substances need a threshold dosage. Think of bodybuilding. If you do a short but very strong exercise in order to trigger a stimulus for muscle growth you will become Mr. Universe. If you split that exercise into many small light exercises you will just do work, burn calories, wear down your body, and become starved famished Pinocchio. Do you want your hair to be strong and thick like an Angora cat or weak and thin like a naked mole rat (like the one in the cage next to mine)
Again, I am not sure if such a threshold dosage mechanism is present for that product but why risk to possibly render it ineffective by not using it as intended?

They say one should use the entire 6ml vial and spread it all over ones scalp. Seeing as I only have hair loss at my temples I don't want to put any in my otherwise perfect hair and only apply it where it's needed. So given that my temples are about 1/6 of my head I just use 1ml a day divided into four applications. I'm doing the same with capillogain by the way: Put my finger on the top of the bottle, turn it upside down and apply the drops on my fingers to the area, repeat this a few times until the area is well covered in a few "coats". I started doing this because it dripped down my face with the applicator thing and I swear it grew me a few new eyebrow hairs which I now have to pluck unless I want to look like Frida Kahlo.
I don't know either but it has to be the neogenic because the only other thing I was using at the time was Finasteride (which gave me a bit of terminal hair regrowth but never any vellus hairs) and the vellus hair growth started rapidly a few weeks after I introduced Neogenic. I got about a 1cm strip of vellus hair growth away from the temple-hairline. You can see it in this pic if you zoom in: http://i.imgur.com/0rY2Q.jpg
I don't know about the treshold but it seems to be working? Just not turning terminal but it's a start I guess, that area used to be entirely bald even when I used a magnifying glass.

Do you think it matters if I apply capillogain all at once or is it fine if I do the "finger dabbing" method that keeps it from running down into my face?

[SyntheseLabRat]

I've been using this for a few days now, actually kinda like the smell lol... anyway it feels good on the scalp and absorb well too. But how much is 3 pumps per application? Squeezing the applicator 3 times? And if I only apply this once per day, do I apply twice the dose (6 pumps)?

It is about 3 ml, a little bit less. It depends on the area you want to treat as described in one of my previous posts.
only frontal area: 1 pump = 1ml
frontal area plus crown: 2 pumps = 2ml
frontal area plus crown plus vertex: 3 pumps = 3ml
If you use it only once per day, apply only 3 pumps or less (as mentioned above that depends on the areay you want to apply it to).

[SyntheseLabRat]

They say one should use the entire 6ml vial and spread it all over ones scalp. Seeing as I only have hair loss at my temples I don't want to put any in my otherwise perfect hair and only apply it where it's needed. So given that my temples are about 1/6 of my head I just use 1ml a day divided into four applications. I'm doing the same with capillogain by the way: Put my finger on the top of the bottle, turn it upside down and apply the drops on my fingers to the area, repeat this a few times until the area is well covered in a few "coats". I started doing this because it dripped down my face with the applicator thing and I swear it grew me a few new eyebrow hairs which I now have to pluck unless I want to look like Frida Kahlo.
I don't know either but it has to be the neogenic because the only other thing I was using at the time was Finasteride (which gave me a bit of terminal hair regrowth but never any vellus hairs) and the vellus hair growth started rapidly a few weeks after I introduced Neogenic. I got about a 1cm strip of vellus hair growth away from the temple-hairline. You can see it in this pic if you zoom in: http://i.imgur.com/0rY2Q.jpg
I don't know about the treshold but it seems to be working? Just not turning terminal but it's a start I guess, that area used to be entirely bald even when I used a magnifying glass.

Do you think it matters if I apply capillogain all at once or is it fine if I do the "finger dabbing" method that keeps it from running down into my face?

As for that other product, maybe you accidently compensate your overdosed application rate with your inferior application style and just end up with the intended dosage XD

As for Capillogain Tonic, you should use the dropper. Hold your head pressed back into the nape of your neck while applying it bit by bit and rub it in with the other hand before it can run off. It absorbs fast, you should be able to rub it in bit by bit. This way nothing should get into your face.

[israelite]

here is another phto

[SW2]

Thanks for the replies Synthese!

I'm at a one month mark tomorrow since starting Capillogain. i apply everyday and almost everyday 2x. Status/progress of results is of course still minimal and i've been involved with these forums (whether just reading and lurking or random posting on subjects) for long enough to realize a longer trial is required for any effect to show. Question is of those participants who are trialing and are showing positive signs of regrowth and decreased shedding; at what length of time of time was shedding reduced and regrowth begun? Also, in regards to your 'no residue' comment, there is a small amount of residue that does remain when the solution is applied (as i don't massage it in, i simply use the dropper as a brush and slowly pump the bulb to produce and spread small amounts of solution over my scalp until it is all wet.); is this residue normal? the color is the same orange-brown as the solution although i know it has not been fully absorbed, although it is dry.

although i think my windows peak area has been encroaching the middle more as of late; i did recently use my electronic microscope and did notice what i think is small hairs in multiples in several areas all over my head. whether these are 'sprouting' hairs or hairs reaching the last phase of their lives i wont say for certain.. but it is interesting.

thanks for any/all comments in advance and thanks for answering everyone's questions on the forum!

[tinytim]

here is another phto

hi isr i do see an improvment are you using ru58841? as i thought that may go well with capillogain also your thoughts on that fred?

[tinytim]

hi synth what would you say about injecting small amounts where you have shiny scalp on frontal recession and on crown area i wonder if you would get even better regrowth in these hard to stimulate areas or injecting some ru58841 as well into these spots?as there is a guy injecting 0c000459 on one forum getting good results.

[tinytim]

Hey Syntheselabrat,

Any idea if there will be a version op Capillogan Tonic without Triaminodil? If yes, any idea when it will come out?

To be honest i do not think the small amount of triaminodil would cause any side affects i do know that minox does in some but that is higher dose and i fail to see why if capillogain works why would they need to drop triam in there formula?

[israelite]

here is another phto

hi isr i do see an improvment are you using ru58841? as i thought that may go well with capillogain also your thoughts on that fred?

yes i been using ru since summer! right now im using 4 topicals capillogain, ru in kb solution, miox sulfate in kb solution and vpa in almond oil . the synergy of these is very very good! and its not expensove at all.

[tinytim]

whats happened to synth fred as the link to buy from his site no longer works and amazon will not let us buy in uk?

[Flynn]

The second shampoo is delayed for 2 or 3 months.

I'm disappointed to hear that. Is there any way you can lean on producing this sooner? There are quite a few people looking to try a Threonate topical with a vehicle as nice as yours.

[tinytim]

im wondering if this company is going the same way as sinere when they just shut down letting a lot of people down who were using flutagel and there nanominox and it was fred synth that was part of all that.

[synthese]

@tinytim

we have finished our registration with Amazon.UK this week: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00B20QA3I
You should be able to buy Capillogain Tonic at Amazon UK next week. Nevertheless our shop will be available in English next week as well.
We are also in negotiations with Amazon.ca

[SyntheseLabRat]

im wondering if this company is going the same way as sinere when they just shut down letting a lot of people down who were using flutagel and there nanominox and it was fred synth that was part of all that.

The shutdown of Sinere surprised me as well as anybody else. They informed me only after they already did it. The shutdown was not my fault; I did my part of the work. Only difference now is that I have finished my thesis in the meantime so I can do even more work now.
The company had good reason to close down at that time and to delay the project.

[SyntheseLabRat]

hi synth what would you say about injecting small amounts where you have shiny scalp on frontal recession and on crown area i wonder if you would get even better regrowth in these hard to stimulate areas or injecting some ru58841 as well into these spots?as there is a guy injecting 0c000459 on one forum getting good results.

Injecting is difficult and I don´t recommend it. I also think it is not necessary with a good vehicle.

[SyntheseLabRat]

The second shampoo is delayed for 2 or 3 months.

I'm disappointed to hear that. Is there any way you can lean on producing this sooner? There are quite a few people looking to try a Threonate topical with a vehicle as nice as yours.

It is just delayed a bit.

[SyntheseLabRat]

whats happened to synth fred as the link to buy from his site no longer works and amazon will not let us buy in uk?

Amazon.us does not ship products like Capillogain to other countries currently. Amazon.uk will be ready soon.
I don´t know why you can´t buy from our shop page, maybe it is under construction. I know that my colleagues want to set up a new page soon.

[SyntheseLabRat]

Thanks for the replies Synthese!

I'm at a one month mark tomorrow since starting Capillogain. i apply everyday and almost everyday 2x. Status/progress of results is of course still minimal and i've been involved with these forums (whether just reading and lurking or random posting on subjects) for long enough to realize a longer trial is required for any effect to show. Question is of those participants who are trialing and are showing positive signs of regrowth and decreased shedding; at what length of time of time was shedding reduced and regrowth begun? Also, in regards to your 'no residue' comment, there is a small amount of residue that does remain when the solution is applied (as i don't massage it in, i simply use the dropper as a brush and slowly pump the bulb to produce and spread small amounts of solution over my scalp until it is all wet.); is this residue normal? the color is the same orange-brown as the solution although i know it has not been fully absorbed, although it is dry.

although i think my windows peak area has been encroaching the middle more as of late; i did recently use my electronic microscope and did notice what i think is small hairs in multiples in several areas all over my head. whether these are 'sprouting' hairs or hairs reaching the last phase of their lives i wont say for certain.. but it is interesting.

thanks for any/all comments in advance and thanks for answering everyone's questions on the forum!

First positive signs are usually noticed after 2 or 3 months, depending on the previous status.

I guess you use a bottle from the second batch which was not made by me. We increased the concentrations of some active agents for the second batch. I had no bottle of the second batch in my hands so far, maybe it leaves a little residue also on the skin now. I guess we reached the limit now, the vehicle cannot dissolve any more.

[tinytim]

hi fred i am sorry about that comment i just got worried when i never heard anything and that order page was not in action, as for flutamide what are your thoughts on it still as i added some to minoxidil but now capillogain is here im not sure whether to use it or just use cap and finasteride.
Also there is a guy called justin2true at hairsite forum that says minoxidil he uses 4 times a day has regrown all his hair back and he says he also only washes his hair every 10 days,and in the pictures his hair looks amazing,and at hairlosshelp forum many pics of success with minox and finasteride. :-" :-"

[SyntheseLabRat]

hi fred i am sorry about that comment i just got worried when i never heard anything and that order page was not in action, as for flutamide what are your thoughts on it still as i added some to minoxidil but now capillogain is here im not sure whether to use it or just use cap and finasteride.
Also there is a guy called justin2true at hairsite forum that says minoxidil he uses 4 times a day has regrown all his hair back and he says he also only washes his hair every 10 days,and in the pictures his hair looks amazing,and at hairlosshelp forum many pics of success with minox and finasteride. :-" :-"

"never heard anything" ?? *lol* you must be joking ^^
You did post on 17th and I did answer on 18th of the same month ...


Flutamide causes photosensitivity:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9112281

[tinytim]

hi synth i have got your pm message many thanks i notice that i will use the one i dropped into water as not much got in what are your thoughts on using minoxidil with az acid with capillogain or do you think i should still use it just with finasteride as i am seeing some tiny hairs where its shiny spot.

[HairyHarry]

I have to admit that my minor side effects I reported earlier disappeared when using half of the dosis per day. Instead of using 3 pumps of almost full vials, I use 3 pumps of half-full vials and apply it with two hands. Right after applying it, I wash my hands. No problems anymore. Too bad it doesn't stop my itching however. I try to deal with that with regenepure.

[Jacob]

I found an easy solution to the hair-spray effect I get with the product. If I have time..I'll wait 30 mins or more(everything is dry then) and take a wet washcloth- just wipe down my hair w/out touching the scalp much. No more problemo. I can then leave it alone or apply Lamas' hair gel.

BTW..I'm not sure which batch I got. I ordered it before it was unavailable at Amazon for awhile..but it took some time to receive it.

[SyntheseLabRat]

hi synth i have got your pm message many thanks i notice that i will use the one i dropped into water as not much got in what are your thoughts on using minoxidil with az acid with capillogain or do you think i should still use it just with finasteride as i am seeing some tiny hairs where its shiny spot.

You can add Minox with azelaic acid to your regimen or keep it if you already use it, but make sure the azelaic acid is little since it harms the mitochondria also of normal cells (not only tumor cells) and it decreases proliferation of keratinocytes considerably:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2475995
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2438874

However, don´t mix it with your Capillogain bottle. Apply it separately.
Can you elaborate on your tiny hairs tinytim? You got them from Capillogain or Minox with azelaic acid?

[SyntheseLabRat]

I found an easy solution to the hair-spray effect I get with the product. If I have time..I'll wait 30 mins or more(everything is dry then) and take a wet washcloth- just wipe down my hair w/out touching the scalp much. No more problemo. I can then leave it alone or apply Lamas' hair gel.

BTW..I'm not sure which batch I got. I ordered it before it was unavailable at Amazon for awhile..but it took some time to receive it.

I think you have the first batch.

[SyntheseLabRat]

I have to admit that my minor side effects I reported earlier disappeared when using half of the dosis per day. Instead of using 3 pumps of almost full vials, I use 3 pumps of half-full vials and apply it with two hands. Right after applying it, I wash my hands. No problems anymore. Too bad it doesn't stop my itching however. I try to deal with that with regenepure.

Yes, hair wash helps. But your shampoo contains niacin, which in turn increases PGD2 and itch. But I guess they just wrote niacin on their page but meant nicotinamide. However, nicotinamide has benefits but also drawbacks like an increase of the activity of the 5-alpha reductase since the 5AR is a NADPH dependent enzyme.

Itch may not always be a bad sign, it depends on what causes the itch. Histamine for example may indicate anagen induction:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9353643
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8840142

[israelite]

weekly update

[tinytim]

hi fred i wonder if we really need to use minox with cap if i am getting some fine hairs regrowing although i wet my scalp with the rhodanid lotion as well as this i feel L Lysine 1000mgs a day oral and zinc and finas.

[SyntheseLabRat]

hi fred i wonder if we really need to use minox with cap if i am getting some fine hairs regrowing although i wet my scalp with the rhodanid lotion as well as this i feel L Lysine 1000mgs a day oral and zinc and finas.

It is not a must to add a Minox product, it is just an option for you.

What topical products do you use currently?

[SyntheseLabRat]

weekly update

Thank you for the update, Mark. You are lucky your new hairs are already pigmented. Many Capillogain users get little pigmented hairs at the beginning.

New example is the user "kery" from the German board who posted his photo recently:

http://www.alopezie.de/fud/index.php/t/22549/

You have to scroll down to his post from Fri, 18 January 2013 20:16
The photo is in the file: 16.1.2012.bmp

[tinytim]

hi synth i am just using rhodanid lotion topical and capillogain with some oral finas,i was thinking of trying some psi as in neosil 101 whats your feeling on this.

[SyntheseLabRat]

hi synth i am just using rhodanid lotion topical and capillogain with some oral finas,i was thinking of trying some psi as in neosil 101 whats your feeling on this.

I say, stay with your current regimen for a while. If you add too much other products too early you won´t be able to tell which one worked for you and you will be afraid to drop any of them. But since you have to use these products for many years it can be very costly to have a huge regimen. I think Mark can tell you a story about this problem

[Aks20]

Hi, what about the other products on your website without the triaminodil, dynamsop and dynambay?

Any idea about their safety and sideeffect profiles?

Plus, does dynambay stop DHT without affecting 5ALPHA R levels? And is it only local (as your GLA research paper) or does it go systemic?
Can they be ordered for shipping to countries outside Germany?

[Jacob]

Wow..I used that Dynamsop back in '06 or '07. Are all these topicals made by the same company maybe..or just carrying them? Here's the website for the products: http://www.bnw-natur.com/

[tinytim]

i forgot to add fred i am also using topical certrizine any thoughts on that or should i drop that?

[israelite]

Wow..I used that Dynamsop back in '06 or '07. Are all these topicals made by the same company maybe..or just carrying them? Here's the website for the products: http://www.bnw-natur.com/

i wish it was in english! i wanna actually swich minox sulfate with a nano delivery

[tinytim]

Wow..I used that Dynamsop back in '06 or '07. Are all these topicals made by the same company maybe..or just carrying them? Here's the website for the products: http://www.bnw-natur.com/

i wish it was in english! i wanna actually swich minox sulfate with a nano delivery

Hi isaelite i got it in english with bing translate which is at top righthand side page scroll down to translate.

[Aks20]

HI Jacob it's the same company and product, functional products... But the million dollar question, did it work?? Or was it yet another no clear results sort of topical? Your candid assesment welcomed. CG has triaminodil so I was wondering about these other two topicals.... Btw did you find an equol replacement? I mixed folexen with vodka and used it as a topical, while it didn't thicken my hair much, it really stopped shedding most of the times I used it...it was safer IMHO than 5alpha r inhibitors.