Capillogain® Tonic

israelite · Post by **israelite** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:13 am

Natasha26 wrote:Israelite, Can you tell us about your hair progress?

Are you experiencing new hair regrowth? I am experiencing huge hair loss currently.

yes natasha i think its a good idea to tell about my hair loss journey and when i started to take action! and etc

israelite · Post by **israelite** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:25 am

5 people now have reported good success with capillogain! barbarbea from hlh! make that 6 because i really like the product1 "I like it, its work very well, but its need more than one application per day"iuse twice daily, its help OC with one very good synergy". he said he also uses "DynamBay" from the same shop.

my thought with capillogain : this is the best liquid vehicle i have EVER used. within one min it dries and its like u never applied anything! this is one of the major problems with topicals they never reach the hair follicle roots and this product 100% does!

tinytim · Post by **tinytim** » Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:18 am

Hi so this is a better product than minox which i do not like using anyway and if you was going to buy neogenic stemoxydine or cappillogain tonic which would you guys choose as im fed up like many with the many so called hair regrow drugs and naturals that do nothing.Also if i want to try capillogain is there anywhere i can buy for uk as amazon does not yet? :-"

tinytim · Post by **tinytim** » Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:31 am

Re Capillogain does anyone know if this product has any links to the primodial performance hair loss trial which i was down to trial but it went cold turkey as it was eric at primordial and nidhogge a well known poster on various forums this was the hairgen formula and i seem to remember something at primordial for hair loss with raspberry keytone in.

tinytim · Post by **tinytim** » Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:11 am

Well you dig deeper you find out more info i came across a product called rejuveplex which a product by nidhogge and omg which many of us know around the forums now jacob have you or anyone else triad this antiaging skin and hair loss product which i think is the old primordial hairgen topical i found a site selling it at $28 a bottle it contains a swiss grape protoglandin which i know jacob likes.
Not sure if its as good as capillogain though.

SyntheseLabRat · Post by **SyntheseLabRat** » Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:18 am

@israelite

Can you give me a link to the post of @barbarbea (maybe spelled wrong)?
He is one of the first users of Capillogain besides @hungrylikethewolf.
Using it 2 times a day is maybe really the better way to use it. One of us is also using it twice a day and it worked for him very well.

israelite · Post by **israelite** » Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:49 am

SyntheseLabRat wrote:@israelite

Can you give me a link to the post of @barbarbea (maybe spelled wrong)?
He is one of the first users of Capillogain besides @hungrylikethewolf.
Using it 2 times a day is maybe really the better way to use it. One of us is also using it twice a day and it worked for him very well.

it was through a pm!

SyntheseLabRat · Post by **SyntheseLabRat** » Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:57 am

@tinytim

Brocyanidin-B3 has been shown to be the most potent procyanidin for hair growth. You can read this up here:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10084307

Quote from the abstract:
"Topical application of 1% procyanidin oligomers on shaven C3H mice in the telogen phase led to significant hair regeneration [procyanidin B-2, 69.6% +/- 21.8% (mean +/- SD); procyanidin B-3, 80.9% +/- 13.0%; procyanidin C-1, 78.3% +/- 7.6%] on the basis of the shaven area; application of vehicle only led to regeneration of 41.7% (SD = 16.3%). In this paper, we demonstrate the hair-growing activity of procyanidin oligomers both in vitro and in vivo, and their potential for use as agents to induce hair growth."

We use a highly concentrated barley husk extract.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12473061

Our barley husks stem from Germany and the extract is produced exclusively for us by a company which is specialized on plant extracts here in Germany. They concentrated the barley husk extract to a 70% Procyanidin-B3 content as confirmed by HPLC analysis:

http://www.functional-products.net/index.php?id=111

We made much more effort than just buy grape seed extract, which is very cheap and can be bought everywhere. Grape seed extract is not bad, we use it in our Shampoo, too. Most people don´t know that grape seed extract contains besides procyanidin B2 and C1 also a small fraction of B3. However, I am not aware of any other company who has determined the procyanidin content in their extract by HPLC; they just order it cheap and toss it in.
We made even more effort than what I mentioned here but I can´t tell you everything since we don´t want to give our competitors a blueprint to copy us.

Btw, procyanidin is susceptible to light and heat, so people should store their Capillogain Tonic bottle in a more or less cool place. Room temperature is ok, but not near the window in the sun.

The above mentioned considerable effort for the Procyanidin-B3 barley husk extract is the reason why we may be sold out for a few days. We had to wait for the next batch of fresh extract, which will arrive next week at our facility and we will produce the next batch of Capillogain Tonic next week but we may be sold out for a few days.

israelite · Post by **israelite** » Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:03 am

tinytim wrote:Well you dig deeper you find out more info i came across a product called rejuveplex which a product by nidhogge and omg which many of us know around the forums now jacob have you or anyone else triad this antiaging skin and hair loss product which i think is the old primordial hairgen topical i found a site selling it at $28 a bottle it contains a swiss grape protoglandin which i know jacob likes.
Not sure if its as good as capillogain though.

hi tiny tim, i use it and it sits on the skin and does not penetrate. its good for dark circles of the eyes but its not good for the hairs

SyntheseLabRat · Post by **SyntheseLabRat** » Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:26 am

It is better to decide if one wants to make a product for the skin or for hair growth.

Many substances that are great for skin are bad for hair growth.

For example, if you have a substance that increases collagen production and fibroblast proliferation in the skin (which is great for the skin of your face),
that substance likely up-regulates TGF-beta. But up-regulating TGF-beta is absolutely not what you want to do near your hair follicles in the scalp.
On the other hand, if you use a substance which inhibits TGF-beta it may work for hair growth but if you apply it to your skin you will likely end up with reduced collagen production and sagging skin and more wrinkles.

However, there are some substances that work for both. Raspberry Ketone for example increases IGF-1 which is good for hair growth but also increases skin elasticity of the face.

However, in my opinion it is best to use different products for dermal papilla cells and hair keratinocytes on the one hand and skin fibroblasts on the other hand.

israelite · Post by **israelite** » Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:35 am

SyntheseLabRat wrote:It is better to decide if one wants to make a product for the skin or for hair growth.

Many substances that are great for skin are bad for hair growth.

For example, if you have a substance that increases collagen production and fibroblast proliferation in the skin (which is great for the skin of your face),
that substance likely up-regulates TGF-beta. But up-regulating TGF-beta is absolutely not what you want to do near your hair follicles in the scalp.
On the other hand, if you use a substance which inhibits TGF-beta it may work for hair growth but if you apply it to your skin you will likely end up with reduced collagen production and sagging skin and more wrinkles.

However, there are some substances that work for both. Raspberry Ketone for example increases IGF-1 which is good for hair growth but also increases skin elasticity of the face.

However, in my opinion it is best to use different products for dermal papilla cells and hair keratinocytes on the one hand and skin fibroblasts on the other hand.

very good point! rejuveplex for the skin in my eyes anot the hair. i used it for 6 months! this brings up another good point we been using cb-03-01 in the cream cosmo used for acne and the results have not been very good! i quick look at the ingredients and it obvious why it hasn worked! ingredients like mineral oil sit on the skin and cannot reach the hair shaft and the roots

SyntheseLabRat · Post by **SyntheseLabRat** » Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:47 am

I don´t know the ingredients and the vehicles of those products so I can´t comment on it.

Oils aren´t that bad. I like Hinoki oil and some others.

israelite · Post by **israelite** » Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:52 am

SyntheseLabRat wrote:I don´t know the ingredients and the vehicles of those products so I can´t comment on it.

Oils aren´t that bad. I like Hinoki oil and some others.

i love oils not mineral oil though! i use sesa, vatika, garlic, rosemary, caster ,almond oil.

Jacob · Post by **Jacob** » Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:28 pm

SyntheseLabRat wrote:Hi Jacob,

there is only very little Ethanol in the Shampoo.

Well that's good to know. I'm not the biggest fan of it..especially in the winter. But I'll live- will be using the topical on just some select areas. It's been a week since I ordered via Amazon..wonder if they were out soon after or maybe it's just the holiday delays. We're in the process of moving so I'll post next week if I received it yet.

Jacob · Post by **Jacob** » Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:30 pm

israelite wrote:
my thought with capillogain : this is the best liquid vehicle i have EVER used. within one min it dries and its like u never applied anything! this is one of the major problems with topicals they never reach the hair follicle roots and this product 100% does!

Why do you think I kept bringing up lipo/nano-type tech in the private forum

Even if something is supposed to work w/out it...for something as hard to treat as MPB- every little extra boost can help.

Jacob · Post by **Jacob** » Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:34 pm

tinytim wrote:Well you dig deeper you find out more info i came across a product called rejuveplex which a product by nidhogge and omg which many of us know around the forums now jacob have you or anyone else triad this antiaging skin and hair loss product which i think is the old primordial hairgen topical i found a site selling it at $28 a bottle it contains a swiss grape protoglandin which i know jacob likes.
Not sure if its as good as capillogain though.

No..and don't plan to. Do I really need to get into it again?

israelite · Post by **israelite** » Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:02 pm

Jacob wrote:
israelite wrote:
my thought with capillogain : this is the best liquid vehicle i have EVER used. within one min it dries and its like u never applied anything! this is one of the major problems with topicals they never reach the hair follicle roots and this product 100% does!
Why do you think I kept bringing up lipo/nano-type tech in the private forum Even if something is supposed to work w/out it...for something as hard to treat as MPB- every little extra boost can help.

THIS!, i learned my lesson! that why i like capillogain! thats why Elishalom Yechiel, Ph.D is going to make a super hairline topical. i still like proxiphen from dr proctor(phd, md)

israelite · Post by **israelite** » Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:04 pm

i wonder if capillogain can start producing just vehicles for hairloss products! i would love to make minox sulfate using the same delivery as capillogain!

SyntheseLabRat · Post by **SyntheseLabRat** » Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:04 pm

@israelite

I read you are going to store Capillogain Tonic in the fridge.
You can do that. You can cool it, which may help especially with the stability of procyanidin-B3. However, do not freeze it!
Freeze-thaw-cycles should be avoided since they usually degrade susceptible substances.

israelite · Post by **israelite** » Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:22 pm

SyntheseLabRat wrote:@israelite

I read you are going to store Capillogain Tonic in the fridge.
You can do that. You can cool it, which may help especially with the stability of procyanidin-B3. However, do not freeze it!
Freeze-thaw-cycles should be avoided since they usually degrade susceptible substances.

that was my thinking! i keep all my products in the refring. i store powders in the freezer

tinytim · Post by **tinytim** » Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:08 am

Syth i understand the capillogan is german product and am puzzled why we in uk or most of europe cannot buy it yet as i would have thought amazon uk would be before us?

SyntheseLabRat · Post by **SyntheseLabRat** » Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:14 am

@tinytim

You can buy directly from our shop, but I don´t know how much the shipping costs are for the UK.

https://www.functional-products.net/sho ... flege.html

tinytim · Post by **tinytim** » Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:17 am

Many thanks synth i did contact capillogain twice but never received any replies are you part of the company?

tinytim · Post by **tinytim** » Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:36 am

aha synth its fred from sinere did you have anything to do with mdf topical flut that fda has closed down i used to use the flutagel and the minox topicals a shame that it closeddown,but if capillogain is better than minox with no sides it would be good are you saying that you do not need any other products to go with the cap?

SyntheseLabRat · Post by **SyntheseLabRat** » Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:07 am

tinytim wrote:Many thanks synth i did contact capillogain twice but never received any replies are you part of the company?

Sorry to hear that. Yes, I work fo that company.
I get only the scientific questions and I have answered every email so far.

SyntheseLabRat · Post by **SyntheseLabRat** » Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:15 am

tinytim wrote:aha synth its fred from sinere did you have anything to do with mdf topical flut that fda has closed down i used to use the flutagel and the minox topicals a shame that it closeddown,but if capillogain is better than minox with no sides it would be good are you saying that you do not need any other products to go with the cap?

I have nothing to do with the mdf topical.

You can use your Minox products parallel to Capillogain Tonic if you are used to it and want to keep them. However, don´t apply them at the same time.

tinytim · Post by **tinytim** » Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:05 am

many thanks fred for the link as i do not like using minoxidil like jacob capillogain will it regrow bald areas of scalp.

israelite · Post by **israelite** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 5:31 pm

"This is good stuff!I've been using it for only 4 days, but i can already tell it's working.How?My light brown facial hair coming in coarse and dark!Just like when i was using 15% minox with azelaic acid" from zender on hlh!

tinytim · Post by **tinytim** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:39 am

I have looked at triaminodil and if if works better that minox which i do not like using it would be great.

tinytim · Post by **tinytim** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:14 am

Well i have found some info on triaminodil it seems a company called proderma founded it and they say its safe answer to problem of baldness and you can buy it also in aproduct called novoxidyl in europe they have a shampoo and the lotion the only thing is its been out a while so if it works as good or better than minox with no side effects it would be good but surely if it regrew hair would we not know about it by now.
But as capillogain contains triaminodil and with its extra hair growing ingriedience it may be very good and i am tempted to buy it now.

tinytim · Post by **tinytim** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:35 am

Well synth fred i have ordered my capillogain and do you think that applying 1ml in the morning and 1ml at night would be better or to apply 2mls at night?

SyntheseLabRat · Post by **SyntheseLabRat** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:14 am

tinytim wrote:Well synth fred i have ordered my capillogain and do you think that applying 1ml in the morning and 1ml at night would be better or to apply 2mls at night?

If you can incorporate it in your daily routine, better apply it 2 times a day.
The quantity per application depends on the area you want to apply it to.

tinytim · Post by **tinytim** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:51 am

many thanks fred i wanted to give some info at alopecia uk site but i cannot link your info here to there site.

israelite · Post by **israelite** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:37 am

SyntheseLabRat u need to start shipping to other locations other then usa. i'm getting tons of pm's from people wanting to buy it but they cant. can u add ebay or something

SyntheseLabRat · Post by **SyntheseLabRat** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:21 pm

israelite wrote:SyntheseLabRat u need to start shipping to other locations other then usa. i'm getting tons of pm's from people wanting to buy it but they cant. can u add ebay or something

Good news. Amazon.com will soon be able to ship Capillogain Tonic worldwide from the USA. It should already be working from Canada.

israelite · Post by **israelite** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:34 pm

SyntheseLabRat wrote:
israelite wrote:SyntheseLabRat u need to start shipping to other locations other then usa. i'm getting tons of pm's from people wanting to buy it but they cant. can u add ebay or something
Good news. Amazon.com will soon be able to ship Capillogain Tonic worldwide from the USA. It should already be working from Canada.

very very good! i'm going to post some amazon regrowth on my temples! capillogain is making the those tough fuzzy hairs go terminal!

israelite · Post by **israelite** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:36 pm

hairline regrowth from capillogain!

SyntheseLabRat · Post by **SyntheseLabRat** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:31 pm

My colleague told me he will take care for amazon.uk next.

SyntheseLabRat · Post by **SyntheseLabRat** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:53 pm

@israelite

I am glad you are happy.
However, give it some time, you use it only since a few days now.

I wish you good luck and continued success.

israelite · Post by **israelite** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:04 pm

SyntheseLabRat wrote:@israelite

I am glad you are happy.
However, give it some time, you use it only since a few days now.

I wish you good luck and continued success.

I been using it for almost 2 weeks

SyntheseLabRat · Post by **SyntheseLabRat** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:17 pm

@israelite

true. I didn´t notice. Time is running fast.

oppenheimer82 · Post by **oppenheimer82** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:47 pm

israelite wrote:
SyntheseLabRat wrote:@israelite

I am glad you are happy.
However, give it some time, you use it only since a few days now.

I wish you good luck and continued success.
I been using it for almost 2 weeks

mark, you are also using a %&$! of other products. so you are not a good source.

oppenheimer82 · Post by **oppenheimer82** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:52 pm

to the maker of this product. i have two questions please;

1. how many grams of that minoxidil clone are you putting into one bottle?

2. is it possible for you guys to sell the bottle, but just with the vehicle in it? the delivery method you are using is just awesome. i am using oc000459 for the last 5,5 weeks and i am having fantastic results, i mean hundreds of hundreds of new hairs in that short period of time. but i want to use your vehicle, because i have the feeling it will enhance absorption even more.

thank you,

oppenheimer.

israelite · Post by **israelite** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:00 pm

oppenheimer82 wrote:to the maker of this product. i have two questions please;

1. how many grams of that minoxidil clone are you putting into one bottle?

2. is it possible for you guys to sell the bottle, but just with the vehicle in it? the delivery method you are using is just awesome. i am using oc000459 for the last 5,5 weeks and i am having fantastic results, i mean hundreds of hundreds of new hairs in that short period of time. but i want to use your vehicle, because i have the feeling it will enhance absorption even more.

thank you,

oppenheimer.

babarbea uses oc as well as capillogain! "Sorry i lost for capillogain,
I like it, its work very well, but its need more than one application per day.
i use twice daily, its help OC with one very good synergy.
u started psi the same time!

oppenheimer82 · Post by **oppenheimer82** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:19 pm

israelite wrote:
oppenheimer82 wrote:to the maker of this product. i have two questions please;

1. how many grams of that minoxidil clone are you putting into one bottle?

2. is it possible for you guys to sell the bottle, but just with the vehicle in it? the delivery method you are using is just awesome. i am using oc000459 for the last 5,5 weeks and i am having fantastic results, i mean hundreds of hundreds of new hairs in that short period of time. but i want to use your vehicle, because i have the feeling it will enhance absorption even more.

thank you,

oppenheimer.
babarbea uses oc as well as capillogain! "Sorry i lost for capillogain,
I like it, its work very well, but its need more than one application per day.
i use twice daily, its help OC with one very good synergy.
u started psi the same time!

yes i know mark, but you are also using one hundred other substances, so how would you know the growth is coming from cappilogain? it is impossible to know!!! but i respect your approach!

israelite · Post by **israelite** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:49 pm

oppenheimer82 wrote:
israelite wrote:
oppenheimer82 wrote:to the maker of this product. i have two questions please;

1. how many grams of that minoxidil clone are you putting into one bottle?

2. is it possible for you guys to sell the bottle, but just with the vehicle in it? the delivery method you are using is just awesome. i am using oc000459 for the last 5,5 weeks and i am having fantastic results, i mean hundreds of hundreds of new hairs in that short period of time. but i want to use your vehicle, because i have the feeling it will enhance absorption even more.

thank you,
i know its workig based on the vehicle.
oppenheimer.
babarbea uses oc as well as capillogain! "Sorry i lost for capillogain,
I like it, its work very well, but its need more than one application per day.
i use twice daily, its help OC with one very good synergy.
u started psi the same time!
yes i know mark, but you are also using one hundred other substances, so how would you know the growth is coming from cappilogain? it is impossible to know!!! but i respect your approach!

tinytim · Post by **tinytim** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:44 am

fred should we still take oral finasteride with cap

fred should we still take oral finas with cap or could i drop it?

SyntheseLabRat · Post by **SyntheseLabRat** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:49 am

@tinytim

I wouldn´t drop Fin.

israelite · Post by **israelite** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:12 am

barbarbea: http://club.doctissimo.fr/babarbea/5-mo ... 26495.html

he is using capillogain2x day+ plus oc

SyntheseLabRat · Post by **SyntheseLabRat** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:14 am

oppenheimer

the problem is that it won´t be very much cheaper without the ingredients.
The costs for production, sales tax, fraction for distributors and so on won´t change much I am afraid.

Sorry, I am not allowed to tell you the concentration of Triaminodil in Capillogain Tonic.

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