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Jacob
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by Jacob » Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:48 pm
Use a shower filter
Via Kofi at alt.baldspot:
Fluorine-Induced Apoptosis and Lipid Peroxidation in Human Hair
Follicles In Vitro.
Wang ZH, Li XL, Yang ZQ, Xu M.
Department of Otolaryngology-Head and Neck Surgery, the Second Hospital,
Xi'an Jiao Tong University, Xi'an, 710004, China
Fluoride is an essential trace element for human body; however, exposure
to high amounts of fluoride has been documented to be correlated with an
increasing risk of hair loss. To date, little is known about the
mechanism(s) of how fluoride affects hair follicles. Here, we
demonstrated that middle (1.0 mmol/L) and high (10.0 mmol/L)
concentrations of sodium fluoride (NaF) significantly inhibited hair
follicle elongation in vitro, but low NaF (0.1 mmol/L) showed little
influence. Moreover, treatment with high levels of NaF resulted in a
marked increase in terminal dUTP nick end labeling-positive cells in the
outer layer of the outer root sheath, the dermal sheath, and the lower
bulb matrix surrounding dermal papilla. Furthermore, the enhanced
apoptosis was coupled with an increased oxidative stress manifested as
higher malondialdehyde content. Additionally, the presence of selenium
considerably antagonized the effects of middle NaF on hair follicles,
with regard to either the suppression of hair growth or the induction of
oxidative stress and apoptosis. In conclusion, exposure to high levels
of fluoride compromises hair follicle growth and accelerate cell
apoptosis in vitro. The toxicity of fluoride can be reduced by selenium,
at least partially via the suppression of intracellular oxidative stress.
PMID: 20049553
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by N0rwgnKid » Sat Jan 23, 2010 2:30 am
This could actually be really important, considering the fact that we shower two times a day. At least I do, sometimes even three.
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by Jocko59 » Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:12 pm
So, wouldn't women be bald also if that were a cause??
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by Jacob » Sat Jan 23, 2010 3:37 pm
Well I think the key is "exposure
to high amounts of fluoride has been documented to be correlated with an
increasing risk of hair loss"
and "In conclusion, exposure to high levels
of fluoride compromises hair follicle growth and accelerate cell
apoptosis in vitro."
Anybody with MPB would want to stay away from any amount..it can't be helping.
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by Side Show Bob » Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:31 pm
This is relivant, considering it's added to our water.
There's an interesting story about how that happened, concerning Donald Rumsfeld, but I won't go there now.
Anyway, one can avoid drinking water, but how does one avoid showering?
How much flouride is absorbed shampooing?
I'd like to hear Immortal Hair's imput on this.
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by Jacob » Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:30 pm
Shower filter
Researching them a bit..you can see some remove more fluoride than others.
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by Jocko59 » Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:38 am
Have you found one yet? I have an Aquasana shower filter on mine currently, but it doesn't say anything about filtering out fluoride. It filters chlorine, and other elements according to their website but it doesn't mention fluoride.
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by Jacob » Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:54 am
"Aquasana water filters remove toxins such as organic chemicals, bacteria, chlorine and most fluoride" That may be for their counter/drinking water ones though.
There are a # of them- just include "fluoride" in a search for shower filter. Here's one:
http://www.energelproducts.com/shower-heads.html
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by Jacob » Mon Mar 01, 2010 4:13 pm
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by Jocko59 » Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:33 am
I thought Fluoride was not able to be removed via that type of shower head filter? I wonder about the validity of that claim on their website.
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by Jacob » Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:52 am
Yeah..and let me guess where you read that
Anything is possible with today's tech. I don't know for sure if they really do work- maybe I'll email for some evidence- what % is really removed etc. The last one I posted there..it sounds like it's $130 per year..since "no Cartridges needed". So it's not super cheap.
There are many counter/under the counter ones that claim to remove it as well. I suppose one could hook one up to a tub/shower somehow.
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by Jacob » Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:56 am
Ahem...there are plenty of non-reverse osmosis whole house filters that remove fluoride:
http://www.equinox-products.com/FluorideMaster.htm
Our highly-specialized Fluoride Master system utilizes premium-grade FluorideMaster™ media and is designed to remove up to 99.9% fluoride, sediment and/or particulate matter from all of the water entering your home for approx. 3 years or 300,000 gallons.
Google results:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=wh ... 8&ie=UTF-8
Now which are the best..
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by Jocko59 » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:47 am
Yes, I knew you could purchase a very expensive reverse osmossis filter systems for your entire house which would filter that kind of thing (flouride) out of your water. I just wondering how effective that shower head is for filtering out flouride. The filter granules from that site look a lot like those from Aquasana, and Aquasana doesn't filter out flouride (just cholorine and other contaminants). So, yeah I would be interested in how that website responds to your e mail.
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by Jacob » Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:47 pm
I'm not sure why Aquasauna's couldn't remove it..since their sink models seem to. Maybe I'll send them an email as well.
The links were to non-reverse osmosis products. It's been said elsewhere that the only way to remove flluoride is via reverse osmosis
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